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My wife, My Pastor and I are at odds about tithing. I am under an alimony order that takes over a third of my net and am constantly running out of money each month. But I am told that God isn't going to bless me or change my circumstances because I am not tithing my 10%.
I am already putting stuff on charge cards to stay afloat and tithe what I can. If I were to tithe $400 + I would be so far behind I could not pay my bills or eat.
But my Pastor tells me that he would eat cat food before he did what I was doing.
I feel so pushed in a corner over this issue. When I try to show my wife the freedom you talk about from the tithe, she just says who is this guy and won't listen.
There are times when I just feel like tossing in the towel and stop going to church at all.
I don't know what I am asking you to tell me, what's your background, are there any books or commentaries I can read on this topic.
Help I am drowning.
Paul never taught tithing to the Gentiles, neither did he ever
accept a penny in tithe money from them. Money, is in fact, a NON-TITHABLE COMMODITY IN
THE FIRST PLACE. Israel NEVER tithed "money." Neither did they tithe, fish,
baskets, shoes, lumber, ores, clothing, leather goods, pottery, musical instruments, arts
and crafts, tents, etc., etc., etc.
Since I had my awakening I have come to see a lot of things in a new light and nothing can shake my convictions, and oh how they try.
But there are some things that I am not rock solid on as of yet and I can only remain open minded on these issues in hope of someday having the truth in them revealed to me in spirit. I was hoping maybe you could share your insight with me on these.
I often wonder about re-incarnation, I'm not set on it, but I don't rule it out. what do you think? Also I have trouble with confessions, is it scriptural, is it a must in order to have serenity? AND what about making amends for the wrong I have done in the past.
As I told you in a previous letter I was once a drug addict and for a time I was involved in a twelve step program, it helped me a lot to get to where I am today, but I still have trouble with resentment and anger.
So I wonder about these things. If they are a must, then what about grace, why do I still have trouble being a kinder person?
One more thing, is there a church or gathering near me that you could recommend.
Hope I am not to asking too much. I love reading your articles and I know I am on the right track here I could use some input.
So far everything I have read from your site has been wrong and every word you have made an attempt to define is wrong. Just look at your own statements and see the mistakes. There is no reason for me to spend days typing out everything you have said.
You have pointed fingers of accusations at some very visible people and your accusations are false. You have judged people by some standards that are indeed sub-standards for they are not Bible. Your words of condemnation are based on miss-interruptions of the scriptures and confused definitions of the Greek.
How many years have you spent in Bible School studying the Greek? What qualifies you as an expert on the Greek language? What are credentials?
As I said, you can't find ONE statement of mine that you can
disprove! I didn't ask you to critique all my papers. Just ONE SIMPLE STATEMENT OF MINE
THAT IS EITHER WRONG OR UNSCRIPTURAL. Really, how hard can that be, Nameless? You are full
of hot air. Put your money where your mouth is. If I have said anything unscriptural or
wrong, it behooves you to show me, since it is YOU who are condemning my work.
In reality, YOU FIND GOD OFFENSIVE!! And therefore, I don't believe
you are in any position to be condemning me for teaching what the Scriptures teach.
One doesn't need to be a Greek scholar to see the absurdity of such
a desperate argument to prove God is really an eternal terrorist of the worst kind. It is
a law of grammar and language, Nameless, that NO adjective can take on a greater meaning
than the noun from which it is derived. Now then, do you know a Greek Scholar who can
prove THAT statement wrong? Does the grammar of ANY LANGUAGE ON EARTH allow for
something that happens "hourly" to mean something that happens
"annually" or "eternally?" Well?
[More nonsense from Brian]
The subject of Lazarus and the poor man: When Lazarus and the poor man died, there is a place "if you knew scripture at all Mr. Smith" called sheol. But there are two parts to sheol Mr. Smith. The horrible part is called "Hades" or as most people call hell. The other part is called "PARADISE'' Mr. smith not heaven. Hades is where the ungodly went, those who did evil in the eyes of god and were unrepentant. Paradise is where those who were righteous in the eyes of the lord went. But you see Mr. smith, paradise was emptied by Jesus Christ between his death and resurrection and now anyone who dies.
NOW Mr. Smith, if they are born again go to heaven, and if they are still lost in their sins at the point of death, well Mr. Smith then they go to hell, Hades etc, etc, etc. If you go read a Hebraic, Greek translation of the bible Mr. Smith you'll find all of this out on your own, but I found out all this in just a NIV study bible, but since you seem to have such a hard time understanding THE WORD OF GOD Mr. Smith I have given you a reference to a bible that maybe you can understand better. And the reason that the " HUNDREDS'' of people you say have made retorts, I'm sorry REPLIES back to you putting your teaching down is that they ''GET IT'' Mr. Smith and you haven't yet, because if you did get it Mr. Smith, you wouldn't be typing your false crap on the Internet and you would be repenting before the REAL GOD and trying to seek a REAL relationship with Jesus Christ your Lord and savior.
So please MR. SMITH stay off the Internet with the stuff you've been putting on there because the lord is watching you and he does not take kindly to those who do not believe he had the power to make sure that everything he wanted to say in his word IS IN HIS WORD. For His Holy Spirit filled up men and had them write what he wanted us to know MR. SMITH.
P.S. I will keep you in my prayers Mr. Smith. ADIEU
In my last email to you I stated it at least three times, thinking
that I could goad you into at least "trying" to show that any statement in my
writings was wrong. I asked you if YOU would be the first one to actually follow up and
"put your money where you mouth is," I believe, was the phrase I used. Just ONE
quotation from ANY of my papers, followed by ANY Scriptural proof that the statement is
wrong. As it was you who stated that EVERYTHING ON MY SITE is wrong, this should have been
the easiest task in the world for you to do, and set me straight on at least ONE SPECIFIC
There are NOT two parts to sheol. EVERYONE who died in the Old Testament was said to go to "sheol" -- the good and the bad both go to the same "sheol" which is not made up of different compartments. That is an UNSCRIPTURAL statement. Here is the Scriptural proof:
There is "REDEMPTION" from "sheol" -- David said so. Who goes to "sheol" at death -- only the good or only the bad? BOTH. Scripturally proof from same Psalm:
The wise and the fool DIE THE SAME:
"Beasts" DO NOT GO TO A PLACE OF TORTURE OR A PARADISE AT DEATH -- they go to 'sheol' -- the GRAVE, just as men do! And according to Scripture, does a righteous man take his glory of sainthood with him to the to 'sheol' or the grave? Is his 'glory' REALLY in a department of sheol called 'PARADISE' as you say? Is THAT where his glory is preserved, in 'sheol'? Answer:
All people DIE (Heb. 9:27).
Our own LORD went to sheol/Hades when He died (yes, contrary to Christian doctrine, Jesus REALLY DID DIE, HE WAS DEAD WHEN THEY CRUCIFIED HIM. HE WAS DEAD IN THE TOMB [He was NOT on a missionary journey while He was DEAD IN THE TOMB] THAT'S HOW HE PAID FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD).
But then again you don't really believe that He DID pay for the sins of the world, and that is why you teach that the WORLD is going to hell in a hand basket to be tortured by some alien terrorists for all eternity, in real fire. Acts 2:31,
So Jesus clearly was not enjoying Himself in a place called
'paradise' during the period of time He was supposed to be DEAD as a penalty for the sins
of the world!
Of course, he was STILL DEAD, awaiting a future RESURRECTION:
SCRIPTURES, Brian, USE THE SCRIPTURES, when you want to prove a
I will pray for you. I will ask everyone who comes to me site
to pray for you. I will post this email so that others can learn as well.
Thank you for your time,
Don't neglect to ask God for EVERYTHING you feel you should have.
But don't be disappointed if God allows you to CONTINUE IN YOUR TRIALS. Sometimes He
removes certain trials after a period of time. We do not know when and how or even if God
will do this that or the other thing, so we keep praying. I ask for STRENGTH AND
FAITH to face my trials and OVERCOME my flesh. I no longer pray for God to make me
HEALTHY, WEALTHY AND WISE, with absolutely no price to pay for such privileges.
And then, don't WORRY about anything. Phil. 4:6 is a terrible translation in the KJV. Instead of "Be careful in nothing..." it should read:
God be with you,
Lately I have been feeling like maybe all this is pointless, meaningless. You know, all that why am I here stuff. Why did I have this experience when it set me apart from the vast majority of my fellows?
This material world means nothing to me now and its hard for me to get into the daily rat race knowing it's all pointless. That's how I feel.
So what happens then when we die, do we just go blank and if so, then what was all this about? I am afraid of what I don't understand and I look around at this world today and I see what's going on, then I think about my four year old, what am I suppose to do?
I don't know bro, what happened to me was definitely a profound experience in my life and at times I am grateful, but then sometimes I wonder what the hell it's all about and I get angry with God. I am still seeking, that's all, just want to feel some of the absolute peace I once had, sometimes I hate this world because it is a thief and totally contrary to what my spirit says.
My mind cannot overcome itself this I know, but my spirit seems to have eluded me lately,
Not to fear -- God is on your side even if it appears at times that
He is not.
Hi. My name is David. I have written to you a few times in the past and I feel inclined to write to you again. In the past few times I've written to you, you have responded and I really appreciate that.
I encountered your website a few months ago and I'm so glad I did.
I have never in my life heard anyone teach the way that you do. Most sermons
I listen to is like listening to Top 40 Music on the local music station. Most of the
songs are good, but they really lack depth. Your articles have depth and your
teachings are so scriptually sound, that I can't believe there are people out there that
curse you and your website (I saw the e-mails sent to you).
Most pastors out there will gladly teach that what the Jews went
through was only the beginning. They will teach that the worst is yet to come for
them, that because of their unacceptance of Jesus Christ that they will be punished
(tortured is too strong a word for them) for ever and ever. Many pastors will add an
"Amen" to the thought of so many people being thrown into the "lake of
I find that your articles are really funny and I'm not sure if you intend them to be funny. They are funny because you plainly point out the flaws in the doctrines that so many teach, and I find myself laughing because I was one of them. I'm really laughing at myself for not examining the scriptures a little more closely. I think to myself, "how could I have accepted this for so long."
The trinity doctrine is another one. I used to just accept it
as a "mystery that no one can understand" but then I started to really think
about it. I just can't accept the doctrine of the trinity anymore. I mentioned
to someone I know a few days ago that I had some problems accepting the trinity cause it
doesn't make sense. He was surprised that I would say this. He went on to
explain that God has revealed himself as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and the three are
one. Then I told him that God has revealed himself in many other ways than Father, Son,
and Holy Spirit. I used the Burning Bush as an example. He gave me the typical
"it's a mystery we can't understand" explanation and I decided to drop the
subject. I did not want to place a stumbling block in front of him.
All the things I have been taught in "Sunday School" have
to come into question now. Not everything I have learned in 20 years of being a
Christian is wrong, but I'm finding the major doctrine's taught (tithing, eternal
punishment, trinity) all fall apart when you go right to the Word.
I really appreciate your hunger for the truth of God, and just as importantly your boldness to proclaim it in the face of milk-dependent brethren.
My question is regarding what we here so much in Christendom regarding "covering." You know if you dare leave a church that's teaching false doctrine, you're first labeled rebellious. The next question usually is "what about your covering?".
I scanned your writings and didn't see one that addresses this. Appreciate any thoughts you have regarding this.
Thanks, from one bold believer to another,
Ray, this one's really got me stumped. Could you explain?
Thanks again, God bless,
Oh really? Isn't it interesting that those who try to discredit the fact that Jesus Christ is THE SAVIOUR OF THE WHOLE WORLD, they never actually quote from those who teach universalism. They say: Universalists, "believe, think, say, suggest," etc., etc., but they then don't bother to actually QUOTE any Universalists who believe, say, or think the things they dogmatically state. This, my friend, is unscriptural, unprofessional, unholy, DECEIT!
I know of hundreds who believe in universalism and do not believe
that when the KJV speaks of "eternal punishment and hell fire" that it means
"inner sorrow due to loss of reward." Why don't you DEMAND of this charlatans
that they tell the truth. If that is what Universalists believe, THEN QUOTE THEM!
Not one of these statements of Mr. Slick has a LICK of truth in it. It may sound like he is making a fool of those who believe the word "ionion" does not mean eternal, but he is fooling himself. Here is the Truth:
Therefore, "hourly" for example, pertains to an
"hour." Not a week, not a month, not a year, and certainly not ETERNITY!
Likewise, the adjective "aionios" pertains to an "aion" which is a
period of time with a BEGINNING and an ENDING. Hence "aionion" can NEVER,
EVER, MEAN EVER OR EVERLASTING, OR EVERMORE, OR ETERNAL! It matters NOT that that is the
way the KJV has translated this word many times--however not ALWAYS, I might add.
There is a Greek word for "world" and it is used often in
Scripture it is the Greek word: "kosmos" not the Greek word "aion."
Besides aions is often found in the plural--just how many WORLDS are there anyway?
This is sheer fabrication. Universalists believe NO SUCH THING. They
no more believe that the second occurrence of the word "aionion" means eternal,
than they believe that the first occurrence of this word "anionion" means
eternal. BOTH times it is the SAME word, and BOTH times it mean
"aionion"--eonian, age-lasting, or age-abiding, NOT ETERNAL!
Eternity in heaven is NOT the "REWARD" of the saved.
EVERYONE will eventually be in the realm of heaven with God for eternity. But ONLY those
who are accounted worthy to be in the first resurrection will receive a SPECIAL MARVELOUS
GLORIOUS REWARD. And what is that glorious reward: "EONIAN [AGE-ABIDING] LIFE, in the
KINGDOM OF GOD, ruling and reigning with Christ's for "aions of the aions" until
ALL in the heavens and ALL in the earth, and ALL under the earth [the deceased] are ALSO
BROUGHT IN GOD'S FAMILY! It is a special reward to occurs AGES before the rest of
humanity receive salvation. This reward is all through the New Testament, but few indeed,
seem to see it.
What a crock! Universalists BELIEVE, KNOW, AND INTEND that the word "aionion" means "aionion" and NOT 'NON aionion' as this author so deceitfully contends. He then has the unmitigated gall to say:
Let it be known right here and now, that NO UNIVERSALISTS uses Matt.
25:46 as PROOF that God has promised the righteous "ETERNAL life." This
Scripture proves no such thing regardless of how many thousands of theologians think it
does. It promises "aionion [age-abiding or life of the ages] life" and NOT,
"ETERNAL LIFE!" This is not a verse to proves the righteous will live
FOREVER. There are OTHER VERSES that prove this. Namely those which speak of RESURRECTION,
INCORRUPTION, IMMORTALITY, AND SPIRITUAL BODIES! Of COURSE, the word "NON"
is "not there." The Universalists NEVER PUT IT THERE - Mr. Slick PUT IT THERE,
and it doesn't belong there!
Oh REALLY? Is THAT what I have done in this rebuttal to his
foolish unscriptural nonsense? I don't think so -- if you do, maybe you should read
this answer once more.
Oh really? And what might that phase mean in the King's
English? "An intrusion into the text of a theological perspective." Sound
erudite! Sounds scholarly! Sounds intelligent! Sounds very academia. That's how it
sounds. Here is what it really is: SHEER INTELLECTUAL FOOLISH NONSENSICAL
GOBBLE-DE-GOOK. But do notice that he says "a theological PERSPECTIVE,"
rather than "a theological TRUTH?!"
I know of NO Universalits that would translate Matt. 25:46 the way
he suggests. ALL knowledgeable Universalists KNOW that there is NO word in the Greek
Manuscripts that can be correctly translated as "eternal." And ALL knowledgeable
Universalists also know that this verse should be translated "aionion
chastisement" and not "NON-eternal punishment" as this author contends.
Not true. Anything 'aionion' not only 'can' have a finish, it must
by the very meaning and usage of the ALWAYS HAVE AN END.
Jesus is telling us NO SUCH THING in this verse. The word
"eternal" and the word "death" is not found in this verse in the 5000+
Greek manuscripts of the New Testament thus far discovered. It read: "aionion
chastisement" and "aionion life."
"MULTI-age scenario" is it? How many Scriptures must
I quote before we can see that there are MANY Scriptures that speak of "MULTI-age
And so my bible-truths signature Scripture, I Tim. 4:10 will see it's final fulfillment:
May God be with your spirit and increase your understanding,
Thank you so much for investing time and energy in the creation of
your web page. I discovered your site today when I was looking for information about
tithing. After many of years of searching for a church home I decided to start going
to a church in my neighborhood. Tithing is a big part of the pastor's weekly
There was no joy in my giving ... just fear. Fear that I would
not be able to make it an entire month on the $35.00 I had left after tithing and paying
most of the bills. Fear that my fear would keep God from blessing me.
You are a blessing,
God BLESS you Dee!
Me and my staff LIVE for the very purpose of seeing people like you
FREED from the damnable hardships that are placed on them by pretending and would-be
ministers of Jesus Christ.
Dee, let me ask you a favor: Let me use your email to help
thousands and thousands of others who are in the same position of bondage as you were?
My pastor and I were discussing David Bercot's book '/Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs'/ in which Bercot comments that virtually all of John's apostles held the belief of eternal damnation (paraphrased). For myself, not being very scholarly, researching such things to prove or disprove this is difficult. However, I located a statement from Irenaeous (177 CE) that put Jesus at over 50 years of age. This, plus statements from Aurelius Augustine concerning his beliefs on eternity versus an age while acknowledging other common beliefs during his day, cause me to doubt too much quoting from "early church" writers.
Please guide me to a clear study of "eternity vs. ages" in the context of early understanding of Scripture by those who wrote on the subject closest to the time Christ walked on the earth. Since modern-day authors can pick and choose from whom to quote from ancient times while building a case, there must be a differing opinion from Bercot's. Aside from Scripture, I mean.
Awaiting your reply,
You are correct. There are many writers to hunt and pick from.
I can suggest a few books that are excellent in this area, as well as being honest scholarship:
Bible Material Unlimited, Inc. of St. Petersburg, Florida may have all of these books. I know they have a couple of them. Call John Braucht at: (727) 347-2051 or Fax (727) 347-8922
Jukes uses a lot of Latin in his footnotes, so that part is not too helpful for most of us, the his book is great. Christ Triumphant gives probably the most positive sources of belief in Universalism.
God be with you,
Apply to yourself what the Bible says in II Thessalonians 2:11-And
for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
You cannot teach what you teach without correcting God's INSPIRED King James Bible!
[more on same subject]
It's obvious your an educated man. My name is James L. ... I am a construction inspector. I do not have a degree and I do not know how to read ancient Hebrew. Maybe you do and I'm proud of you.
I have all the confidence in the world that the Holy Bible is the perfect word of God. If I'm trusting God with my soul I'm sure going to trust Him to keep his word for a few thousand years.
I'll have to admit, there are some things in the Holy Bible that I wish weren't there. I have to remember though that He is God and I am not. He makes the rules and I don't.
There are people who are going to be in a lot of trouble for trying to make God's word say what they think it should say. I'm not going to direct you to some book or mystical writings or translation to back me up. God's word is what it is and you better stop messing with it.
Nice to know to whom I am writing. I was a roofer the past fifteen years, and I don't read Hebrew either. However, I do know a little about Bible translations. I have a copy of the 1611 King James Bible and dozens of others.
At what point in time, James, was the King James Bible "the PERFECT word of God" as you dogmatically state? When? First edition? Second? Third? Is it now, finally, "the PERFECT word of God?" James, even the translators THEMSELVES knew for a fact that their translation was FAR FROM PERFECT. Translations are only men's best attempt to translate ancient and dead languages into modern languages. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO TRANSLATE ANYTHING 'PERFECTLY' FROM ANY LANGUAGE INTO ANOTHER LANGUAGE. If you doubt what I am telling you, ask any scholar who knows anything about the giant problems associated with translating.
And so a "perfect"s translation is impossible. However, that does not mean that we can't understand the meaning of most of these ancient words, we can. But even understanding their meaning, it is still impossible to translate perfectly. There are such things as idioms, parables, metaphors, symbols, types, personifications, associations, allegories, etc., etc., etc. There is no such thing as a direct word for word translation from any language into any other language. The best that often can be done is to translate thought for thought, and not word for word. It is difficult for me to explain these answers to you when do don't even understand the questions.
One early edition of the King James said: "Thou SHALT commit adultery." The fix that one pretty fast. In about 1850 the Revision Committee made approximately 50,000 error corrections to the King James Translation. How many more exist? Who knows. But let me say this, there is only ONE WORD in all the King James Bible that is really really badly translated, and that is the Greek word "aion" which means "an age." In the plural it means "ages." The King James translates it a dozen different ways including "everlasting and eternal" of which it absolutely means NEITHER. Actually the King James is a pretty good translation except for that one word. The hundreds and thousands of other errors are relatively minor by comparison.
Here's a rather comical example of a minor error. The King James says in Matt. 23:24 says, "Ye blind guides, which strain AT a gnat, and swallow a camel." A child can see from the context that it is talking about things that are "swallowed," not things "looked at." All scholars know that it should read: "Ye blind guides, which strain OUT a gnat, and swallow a camel." Can you see this simple error that has not yet been corrected in nearly 4 hundred years. This error has printed and reprinted a BILLION TIMES. Even my King James has in the center margin the correction "strain OUT" not "strain AT." Go ahead, James, check your King James right now. You will see this "imperfect" translation with your own eyes.
There are dozens of English Translations that do, however, translate "aion" correctly and consistently. Why do you suppose there are HUNDREDS of translations of the Hebrew and Greek Scriptures into English alone, if the King James is PERFECT? Seriously, think about it. Your condemnation suggesting that I am "MESSING with the Word of God" is way out of line, James. It is out of line whether you have limited knowledge or not. If you don't know what you are talking about, then maybe you should not be so quick to condemn those who have studied these things for many thousands of hours. That doesn't mean that I am never wrong, but it BEHOOVES you to show me JUST WHERE I am wrong and stop throwing darts in the dark.
God be with you,