|I am Totally Overwhelmed
How Accurate are the Watch Tower Bibles?
Why Can't I Stop Sinning?
The Son of a Preacher Man
Lead Us Not Into Temptation?
Picking up hitchhikers?
The Immaculate Conception
Yahshua, Messia or Jesus Christ?
Preterist or Futurist?
Another Tithing Story
You are a False Prophet
Broad Way into Destruction
My name is Kim, and I am an OB-GYN doctor in Los Angeles, CA. I came across your site about three weeks ago and the only time I have to read your articles are late at night and early in the morning. It has taken me literally three weeks to read all of your articles, not just one time, but some articles up to three times each to absorb and digest the information.
I have really enjoyed your Lake of Fire series. You have spent much time discussing the first few chapters of Revelation and also the last chapter of Revelation. It seems to me that you are keeping the best for last, namely, defining the different beasts that are mentioned in Revelation, who the false prophet is, the name of the "man" and the number of his name represented by 666, Babylon the Great, the identification of the harlot who sits on the beast, the "is" "was" and "will be" language when talking about the beast(s), the two-horned beast, one beast coming out of the water, another beast coming out of the earth --- in other words, am I correct in stating that you will have one article pertaining to all of the things I've mentioned or are you planning on devoting a complete article on each subject I've stated above?
I've been a Church of God member all my life of 45 years, and the last 15 years I have had so many questions rise up in my mind about what I was hearing from the pulpit which did not sync with what I was reading in the Bible.
And lo and behold out of nowhere I came across your website. And when I started reading and pondering the things you were saying, I kept saying to myself, "Yes, this answers one of my questions that I have pertaining to this," and "Yes, that answers this question," and on and on and on, and I am totally overwhelmed at the "new" information that I have gleaned from reading your articles.
It is just UNBELIEVABLE how much "in the dark" I have been all these years and then all of a sudden, without warning, I stumble on to your much desired information, and it's like the Heavens opened up and shined a bright light in my eyes and it is so bright that I have to "partially close my eyes" or slowly read through your information over and over until my eyes are adjusted to the spiritual truths that you have presented. Because the light that you have put forth is extremely bright and overwhelming, and now I am at the point where I can't read fast enough and absorb enough and I have a constant hunger for more truths.
I told my husband tonight (who is a neurosurgeon) about your web-site, and he is in our family room reading one of your articles at this very minute.
Here is another question I have: What is going to happen to all these "ministers of the gospel," clergymen, evangelists, pastors, clerics, rabbis who have been teaching all these "false truths" to their congregations all these years? It seems to me that all these "ministers of righteousness" are going to be scrambling for a place to hide some day when what is going to come upon this earth is not what they have been teaching their "flocks."
One more thing I have to tell you is this: Last Sunday after church, I went to my pastor and said to him (and I'll call him Pastor Bob), "Pastor Bob, you have taught many times that Jesus' talking about the Rich Man and Lazarus was not a parable because Jesus used the name Lazarus, a real person," and Pastor Bob said to me, "Yes, Kimberleigh, that's right." Then, I said, "But Jesus said that whenever he spoke to the Pharisees or the masses, he ONLY spoke in parables." And Pastor Bob said, "Well, Jesus did teach with parables, but in that particular instance He was showing us who will go to hell and who will go to Heaven." And then I said, "Look at this page in my Bible where it lists all of the parables of Jesus, and that Rich Man and Lazarus is listed as being one of the many parables that Jesus taught. How can that be listed as a parable in my Bible when you have just said it is not a parable?" And with that, his mouth fell open, and he started to say something, but nothing came out of his mouth, and about that time, someone else came up to him and he quickly changed the subject and started talking to them.
Isn't that UNBELIEVABLE? As I'm leaving the church, I'm saying to myself, "I bet Ray is going to love to hear this." Then as my husband and I are driving home from church, we go by a cemetery, and without thinking, I made the comment, "Boy, that's a hell of a place, isn't it?" My husband said, "Whaaaaat?" I said, "The cemetery is a hell of a place, isn't it?" He said, "What are you talking about?" I said, "Oh, nothing, I was just making an observation."
Thank you from the bottom of my heart, Ray, for sharing this information and getting it out to the public.
[And Kim Replies]
By my husband saying that and the way he said it with the inflection in his voice and body movements, he was very "pissed off" to say it mildly. He said, "You know what we're going to do? We're going to invite some of our close friends from the church, 4 couples, to our home whenever we can arrange our schedules to do so, and we are going to have a 'Have-an-intimate-relationship-with-our-finances-party' with our dear friends, because I've noticed that they all need some excitement in their life and we need to provide them with a little shock value to titillate their thinking." I said, "You know, that's an excellent idea. I'll call their wives and just feel them out about their schedules to see when everyone has about 4-6 hours of free time one evening." He said, "Call me later today after I get out of surgery at about 6 p.m. and tell me what you've found out."
Ray, you should have seen the expressions on my husband's face when he's telling me about this. His jaw was firm, not relaxed, looked like he was very, very perplexed, and was talking so fast, I thought at any moment now he's going to have a heart attack.
Will keep you informed on what's happening with us about our get-together with our friends.
Thank you again for this "shock value" you've provided us.
I was reading your site while doing research for a speech I'm giving entitled "Is Hell Really a Fiery Place of Torment." I never expected to find any material on the internet that contained so many truths as your website contains. I must say that in fact, I'm astonished at the truthfulness and clarity of your words and arguments!
An email from a student compared your teachings to "cults" such as Jehovah's Witnesses. He's right about your teachings at least, because I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses and have believed all of my life that hell IS NOT a fiery place of torment! Isn't it interesting that the minute you contradict Christendom's ministers, they brand you as a cult? They don't even know the definition of the word! I've been hearing this "cult" nonsense all of my life!
But back to what you say regarding hell, I was pleased to see many of the points you made on your site as being the same points that I've used in my speech, which I've had the pleasure of giving to several congregations of Jehovah's Witnesses in the Portland, OR area.
You made some very good points in your arguments against the false doctrine of eternal torment. I certainly recognized this point about the mis-translation of the word 'hell." You also speak about the condition of the dead, as brought out in Ecclesiastes 9:5, as the ancient Hebrews did not believe that a person was conscious after he died. The dead are lifeless; asleep. I made this same point in my speech as well.
I also am bringing out in my speech the fact that when Adam sinned, how was he punished? God told him that since he came from the ground that he would return to the ground. God did not mention any other punishment for Adam. Since Adam's sin resulted in death, how could he be tormented forever?
Another point I make is from 1 John 4:18-19 which says: "There is no fear in love, but perfect love throws fear outside, because fear exercises a restraint. Indeed, he that is under fear has not been made perfect in love. As for us, we love, because he first loved us." So Christians should serve God because they love him, not because they're afraid of his punishment. And more importantly, God loves US. God IS love.
I enjoyed many other fine arguments you've made on your site against the teachings of these so-called ministers, but especially your points about hellfire. I thought I would write you a letter of sincere appreciation for your courage in stating the truth, and how much I enjoyed that way you devastated those fools and their false teachings.
May I make a recommendation? I have used the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (translated by the Watchtower Society) and appreciate the way it correctly translated the words in Greek and Hebrew that are commonly mis-translated as "hell" by other bibles. It would be worth your while, I believe, to compare this translation with the ones you are using and see how well we've stuck to the original meaning of the writers of the scriptures. The next time you hear a knock on your door (and it will probably be you-know-who), ask for a copy. As always, it's totally free. We're not looking to get rich like the tele-evangelists and the rest of Christendom.
I will return to your site during my research and look forward to more of your stinging criticism of the teachings of those who contradict! I would also be honored if you would like to read the transcript of my speech. I am currently rewriting it, as I'm always looking for new thought and angles on this subject (that's what brought me to your site in the first place). I would appreciate any feedback you might have. Please let me know.
Thank you for your email and kind words. I am glad that you found at least some agreement with what I teach from Scripture and your own findings.
Actually I have had a New World Translation for forty-five years now.
However, let me say this (and I certainly hope this will not be the least bit offensive to you), I very seldom use the NWT. I think that I have quoted from it but two times in my papers on the bible-truths site. Although the Christian world as a whole despise the NWT, their own King James is very similar, with the one exception of most of mankind being NOT SAVED by "eternal annihilation" rather than "eternal torture." Either way, both teach that God will utterly fail in saving all of His children. This does not speak well for the most powerful and most loving Father in the universe!
The Watch Tower does, however, publish a book that I use ALL THE TIME. It is very helpful in MANY places. It is the EMPHATIC DIAGLOTT. Do you have a copy? Have you not notice how DIFFERENT it is from the NWT? Maybe just one example will put you on the Rod to a whole new world of Scriptural Truth discovery.
Matt. 25:46, NWT:
This translation is very similar to the KJV:
The only real different in the NWT's translation of the compound, "cutting- off" instead of "punishment."
Now then, let's check the Emphatic Diaglott:
This is a MUCH improvement over the King James and the NWT. The Greek word "aionios" or "aionion" never EVER means "everlasting" or "eternal." NEVER. For proof of this read the first ten pages of my letter to John Hagee in the paper "EXPOSING THOSE WHO CONTRADICT" on my site.
The Watch Tower's Diaglott has this word translated CORRECTLY--it is "aionian" or "eonian" or (if we must use a compound, "age-lasting" or "age- abiding").
But, although the Watch Tower's Diaglot has "eonian" it TOO, misses the mark by using "cutting-off" to translate the Greek word: "kolasis" which comes from "kolaza" which means "to CHASTISE." "Cutting off" is an aspect of this word, however, it is NOT it's primary meaning. It can carry the connotation of "cutting-off" (as in PRUNING A TREE), if the desired result is to IMPROVE rather than destroy or annihilate. This word is used only a couple of times in all the Greek Manuscripts. Here is the other place it is used:
Is John really telling us that "fear" causes "CUTTING OFF"?? That's absurd.
The proper translation of the word "kolasis" is neither "punishment" OR "cutting-off"--it means "CHASTENING OR CHASTISEMENT" -- to bring about correction, making something RIGHT -- RIGHTEOUSNESS: God's judgements (chastisements) bring about RIGHTEOUSNESS in the WICKED. That IS the result of God's Judgments. Just for curiosity's sake I checked the NWT translation of Isaiah 26:9 with regards to what happens when God really begins to send forth His JUDGMENTS into this earth:
Here, even the King James is a better and more accurate translation:
YES THEY WILL. They will NOT be ETERNALLY annihilated, neither will they be ETERNALLY CUT-OFF.
There is a world of difference between the words "punish" and "chastise." Chastise carries to meaning of CORRECTING, MAKING RIGHT, ETC. Therefore, it can NEVER EVER BE EVERLASTING OR ETERNAL, as anything that is eternal NEVER fulfills its goal of "correcting or making right"!!
The reason most translations do not translate this verse in Matt. 25:46 correctly is not because it is that difficult to translate; it is not. It is because of the RELIGIOUS BIAS of the translators. And so the King James makes it appear that people will be "PUNISHED [tortured for eternity in fire) and the NWT make it appear as though it is "eternal," however, not eternal conscious suffering, but rather eternal cutting-off from God or literally, eternal annihilation. BOTH ARE DEAD WRONG!
This verse should be translated as follows:
And that is the meaning of the Greek words in this verse. It's just that theologians cannot then UNDERSTAND this verse. It doesn't fit the preconceived ideas of the Christians, nor does it fit the preconceived ideas of the Jehovah's Witnesses. The argument on both sides goes like this: How can we have "ETERNAL life" if it is the same period of time that the wicked are chastised, if that chastisement COMES TO AN END?
The answer is quite simple and clear, Rod, if we will but listen to the Scriptures carefully. The Scriptures NOWHERE promise believers "everlasting or eternal life." WHAT? That sounds like blasphemy AND HERESY, doesn't it?
What the Scriptures do promise believers is: (1) Aionian, eonian, or age- abiding, life, AND (2) IMMORTALITY and INCORRUPTION. Immortality has nothing to do with TIME. Immortality does not mean "everlasting" or "eternal" or any other word or combination of words denoting ENDLESS TIME. Immortality mean DEATH=LESS=NESS. Incapable of dying. NEVER to die. So it will be "everlasting," but the WORD DESCRIBING IT DOES NOT MEAN EVERLASTING.
And so the two statements of Matt. 25:46 are in perfect harmony with one another, even though NEITHER ONE IS SPEAKING OF ETERNAL OR ENDLESS TIME!
Jesus promised "eonian life" to those who "OVERCOME." They are to rule WITH Christ as the manifest SONS OF GOD (The BODY of Christ), who will be the "saviours" promised back in Hosea, that will be instrumental in brining God's judgments to all the inhabitants of this earth, both in the millenium and in the second resurrection.
This is just ONE verse of Scripture, Rod. But both the Christians and the Jehovah's Witnesses CARRY THIS ERROR FORWARD IN THEIR ENTIRE TRANSLATION OF THE SCRIPTURES! BOTH ARE DEAD WRONG. God IS THE SAVIOUR of the world, not the weak and wishful "potential" Saviour of the world. This is a TRUTH of GRAND PROPORTIONS, Rod, that you will have to come to grips with if you are to ever truly appreciate God and His Sovereign Power and Love.
GOD WILL NO MORE ANNIHILATE MOST OF HIS CHILDREN FOR ALL ETERNITY, THAN HE WOULD PUNISH OR TORTURE THEM IN FIRE FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!
After reading the ten pages I suggested above, get back with me on this, Rod. And, Yes, you may send me your paper when you are finished with it, and I will be happy to read it. I hope nothing I said in this email is offensive to you? Let me hear from you. Okay? Good!
God be with you,
The question here is: Everytime I sin, I ask forgiveness and repent. I feel that it's not working (repenting, asking forgiveness, etc). Am I doing something wrong?
The penalty of sin issue can be settled in your
heart and mind the instant you come to realize that Jesus PAID IN FULL the penalty for
your sins and all the sin of the world. However, paying the penalty for sin does not
instantly PURGE AND WASH US CLEAN OF SIN. The penalty is paid, but the condition lingers.
We have been HAND-PICKED by God to be in His kingdom. Now we must go through the training course that He has set before us. Jesus said that He overcame THE WORLD. We too are to overcome THE WORLD. It's a HUGE task, that requires the power of SPIRIT to accomplish.
Don't become discouraged in well-doing. You will triumph in Christ if you have His spirit working in you. God will even give you the DESIRE to want to do right and be right.
This life is a life of SPIRITUAL WARFARE. There
will be many battles before the final victory. So we must endure and we must overcome. For
those whom God has chosen, this will be accomplished!
From the bottom of my heart I just want to say thank you for posting your website and sharing your wonderful studies of scripture with us.
Over the last month I have read everything on your website and have spent hours pouring over scripture verses and commentaries checking to see if what you say is true and I can't find a thing wrong!
While some may disagree with a particular position you take on interpretation (although it would be hard) you have a very clear scriptural approach to application of certain verses. Of all of the "theologians" I have read as a student, yours is the most consistent exegesis of scripture I have ever seen. Its amazing to actually have someone reveal that the bible is truth and makes sense from start to finish! And to imagine God using a roofer of all people, He must have a lot of gaul! (:
I know you are incredibly busy so I'll try to keep this short, but I wanted to give you a quick run down on my story.
I'm 26 and married with a two year old son and another due in January. My wife and I are both children of Assemblies of God preachers and we met at an AG school in Missouri. In my early twenties when I met my wife and while we were attending this school I began dealing with certain questions. Issues like ... Is Jesus the Savior of the world? Everlasting? judgement, Tithing...why it never mentioned money (except when God wanted the people to buy hard liquor to bring to the party if the distance was too far) - I love the God of the bible he just cracks me up(: Oh and the classic Pentecostal favorite, besides tongues, end times prophecy.
Here I am at 21 asking professors and good friends (one of which is the nephew of John Hagee -wink) questions that most of them wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole or if they did the answer left me more confused than before.
Since that time I was on staff at a prominent AG church in the Missouri area and a church in Michigan. The church in Michigan happened to be where my dad was senior minister at the time.
Anyway, the other issues I never thought I would get answers to, but tithing was one I was sure the scriptures would make clear. Several years ago I sat down and began to study everything about tithing and came to the same conclusion you have so wonderfully presented on your site. Then began the process of sharing my new joy and discovery with God's people.
Of course God's timing, as always, is hysterical. So I'm on
staff with my dad at a church where shall we say, the response from papa wasn't pleasure
at his son's new found discovery at studying the Word. (this is a man who believes
he is a type of Levite priest and that the church is the storehouse and God's people
should bring the money to Him etc. etc. ad nauseum. - Oh yeah, he also told me one
time that it bothered him that people would question his authority on scripture or
disagree with a point he made in a sermon. He said, "Do you question the
doctor's advice when you go in for a check up ... no, because he's the one with the
education, he's the authority in that situation!" I said, "okay, but most
sane people will still get a second opinion." Needless to say I wasn't winning
any staff person of the year awards at this time.
I have since left my former employment and moved to the Pacific Northwest. Around a month ago I was still trying to come to grips with my vertically challenged paycheck and why God would want the money that was going to pay my gas bill so I decided to pursue the information super highway and see what I could find. I was so "burned" (no pun intended) by my last experience that I was wanting anything to end the misery of my existence. Frustrated that my finances were a mess and that my parents were...(oh well, you can imagine how everything turned out in Michigan) I was looking for any sign of hope.
Thank God for the internet! I came across your site and my heart leaped. I read everything you had written and God brought back all of my questions I have had for years and they began to be answered. I literally felt like I had a conversion experience. I could have been Paul on the Damascus rode. I told my wife (she hasn't been too happy at my conversion ... she likes daddy preacher's version of heaven better than mine and she she's not all that thrilled at the idea of actually dying someday)its like I've actually discovered the God of the bible for the first time and He's so much greater than I ever thought!
By the way, I wanted to share with you something about theologians that I'm sure you know but I wanted to confirm any suspicions you might have. I'm related to some very, very prominent theologians in the Assemblies of God movement (guys who literally wrote the book on AG history and doctrine and worked on well known translations of the bible) and if there is one thing I know from Thanksgiving and birthday parties is that they are like everyone else. Contrary to what many of your readers seem to think, they don't have all of the answers. Theologians are like scientists (i.e. the study of God) they are typically specialists. While one may have a brilliant mind and speak fluent Greek they don't have a clue how to change a flat tire or change a light bulb. They spend years and a pH.D studying one aspect of theology and outside of taking a class like the rest of us don't know anymore than anyone else. Its a real deception that bible prof's are scriptural giants when most of them don't even have enough faith to speak to a mole hill let alone a mountain. I'm not being cruel I'm being honest. My wife and I have been in over a thousand churches in the last 7 years and we know many prominent pastors and teachers and most of them live in a facade of wanting to secretly be Billy Graham and have the masses love their messages and flock to the front for repentance. They preach milk thinking its meat and I haven't met a pastor yet that doesn't believe God is sending America a revival and its going to start with their church. I know you know this but let your readers know that study of God's Word and a plaque with a degree are not the same thing, you can have both, but its about as hard as a camel with a needle. God loves shaming the wise with fishermen and carpenters ... and roofers.
Ray, thanks so much for all that you've done for those of us that God is preparing for something fantastic. Stay strong and I know your busy so don't feel like you need to respond to this email. Just know that I'll try to pray that God gives you the strength to keep challenging all of us and exposing those who contradict!
Oh yeah, I love the tone of your letters. I haven't laughed so hard in years as when I read your responses to the emails you receive. I've been sending your website to all of my former bible and seminary friends who got "blackballed" for one reason or another. Usually over doctrinal issues.
When Jesus taught the disciples to pray, He said,
also, it was the Holy Spirit who led Jesus in the wilderness to be tempted. But then James 1:13 says,
It's confusing, and I haven't been able to figure it out?
Hope all is well. Love to you all, and thank you for everything!
And if that is bad enough, James first tells us in James 1:2 to
What is going on here?
From all of these examples it is abundantly clear that it is not the
OBJECT that is the TEMPTATION, but rather the temptation COMES FROM WITHIN, not from
without. It was not the "tree" that MADE Eve lust. It is not the "pretty
woman" that MAKES a man lust. The LUST IS IN THE MIND, IN THE HEART, and therefore,
the trial IS IN THE HEART AND MIND, not in the literal flesh.
The MORE we 'judge ourselves' the LESS we are "lead into
temptation." We learn to cut it off at the pass, as they say. It is by God's divine
counsel that we are led into temptation (even if God never DIRECTLY tries or tempts us),
and it is by God's divine counsel that He delivers us from the "evil one."
I want to first start off for thanking God for you and the website. The many truths that have been presented have helped me get out of my captive state that the church has had me in for a long time. I now want to have SCRIPTURES that back up EVERYTHING that I have been taught, because most of it has been presented to me from the "faulty" King James and that has caused me to believe (and teach) in error.
Upon reading your paper on free will, I came across this quote and I would like more clarification.
My Question is: How then (or why) is it that if there is no such thing as free will, there is such a thing as accountability? For if God is in control of everything, and He has done everything "according to the purpose of the One Who is operating all in accord with the counsel of His Will" - then how can we be held accountable for the things that we "do"?
When you or I are confronted with a decision to either do something
that we know is right, or know is wrong, we weight the options and MAKE THE CHOICE. God
has absolutely given man a brain that has the ability to process information. Man CAN
process information and make a choice. But it is the information itself the causes the
choice one way or the other. The man cannot make a choice WITHOUT some form of information
that influences or ultimately CAUSES him to make a choice. NO ONE MAKES US MAKE THE
CHOICE, even other unforeseen circumstances and information DOES MAKE OR CAUSE US TO
CHOOSE! True, circumstances beyond our control, which we do not see or even
perceive, do cause us to MAKE a choice, but ... BUT, IN OUR OWN HEART AND MIND, WE MAKE
THE CHOICE -- not someone else or something else.
Now then, pay close attention to what I am saying: Why are we
held accountable for something that we absolutely COULD NOT HAVE AVOIDED? Why?
Because at the time we made the 'voluntary' (not absolutely 'FREE,' but
'voluntary') CHOICE, it was in OUR heart and in OUR mind to DO SO. And if the choice was
WRONG, or SINFUL, then WE, not GOD, must be held accountable. God takes the
"responsibility" for what we did -- hence He DIED ON A CROSS FOR US, but WE are
accountable for our SINFUL WRONG CHOICES.
Juveniles commit MILLIONS of crimes and sins for which they are not
RESPONSIBLE. But, nonetheless, our own court system HOLDS THEM ACCOUNTABLE. And even
human, carnal, judges take this factor into consideration when handing out penalties.
God has developed a "ways and means" to accomplish His righteous end, plan, and purpose. And God's ways are VERY WISE -- they WORK, and they work very well! We have this absolute promise from God:
God be with you,
Christians say that they love there neighbor and yet when they come upon a hitchhiker who is a stranger to them they pass him by. Is this loving your neighbor? It doesn't seem like it to me. I think Christ would pick them up. There excuse is that they FEAR for there safety. Isn't fear a sin?
There are thousands of ways in which we have opportunity to help
others. When Jesus was aware of the fact that His enemies were trying to take opportunity
against Him to destroy Him, He slipped through the crowd and ran away. Paul was let down
over the wall in a basket by night, etc.
I have been reading a lot from Mr. Eby's writings and have hit a snafu. Mr. Eby makes a reference to something being as false as Kissinger being the Anti-Christ, and next on his list of obviously false things is the immaculate conception of Mary. Huh? Does he mean that Mary's mother wasn't a virgin when she conceived Mary or does he really mean that Mary was not a virgin when she conceived Jesus? Is it the word immaculate?
P.S. Lord Willing, I will be at our next meeting.
Catholics teach that Mary was "immaculately conceived"
WITHOUT sin. Like most Christian doctrines, it is false.
I strive to know Them on a more personal basis. I don't see how Jesus could have been the name God gave Him. When Yahshua said I come in the name of the Father he meant it. The letter J was the last letter to be included in the alphabet (about 1500 ad).
If there is no other name under heaven by which you may be saved, we should get it right. He also said He gave His Son a name above all other names. The info is in any dictionary or encyclopedia. Jesus is a Greek name. Why would Hebrew speaking parents in a Hebrew speaking land give there son a Greek name? Just curious, Eric
But "Lord" is "Yehovah/Yehwah/Jehovah" in
Hebrew, yet you say "Yahweh is the NAME OF GOD" whereas the Scripture says
"Praise the name OF the Lord," not "Praise the NAME LORD."
Furthermore, Jehovah (YHWH) IS JESUS CHRIST, not God the Father!
I have thoroughly enjoyed your web site! I have recommended your
site to my friends who think "outside the box". Do not get discouraged from the
mindless criticism you receive from those who are "in the system"!
As you probably know, the system that accepts these statements as true is known as "full preterism" or "realized eschatology".
I have spent many long hours on the web reading their material. They
support their position very well. Interestingly, the criticisms that preterists receive
are similar to those that you receive: lots of cynicism, name-calling, labeling, etc. If
scriptures are quoted at all, it's from a shallow, non-thinking point of view.
I would appreciate any response you could give on the matter and
I'll forward them to others I know who are likewise wrestling with this issue.
Now then, is this prophecy of Revelation futurist or preterist? IT IS NEITHER! The answer is so simple, but who will believe it? I will give you the answer (not a full explanation, JUST THE ANSWER -- for now anyway):
There is your SCRIPTURAL ANSWER, David. Everything in the Book of
Revelation (which is the testimony--the prophecy of Jesus Christ), leading up to the
consummation of all things, differs not from Jesus Christ Himself which, "IS, WAS,
AND WILL BE." See, Rev. 1:4,8; 11:17; 16:5, etc. Preterists deny the FUTURE:
Futurists deny the PAST: BOTH deny THE NOW -- what presently "IS"!
I am a non-member of a Word church in Honolulu Hi., that I attended for 13 years. I am a divorcee whose husband walked out leaving me with no home and 2 children to support. For many years I have been in conflict with the tithe. I have questioned pastor after pastor about tithing. My conflict has never been resolved and I have felt like there must be something wrong with me! I am a born again Christian with a loving personal and passionate relationship with God. I have prayed about and apologized to God for my "diss-obedience", double mindedness, etc., because I have not been a 10% tither.
I agree with you - tithing is unscriptural, the tithe was originally under the Mosaic book of laws-we are supposed to be in the time of grace, not law. My own pastor keeps telling us how we are under grace, EXCEPT for tithing! It is so hard for me to believe that my pastor may not be a spirit filled born again Christian as he says he is. Other than the tithe (and a few other things - mostly stuff we hear from other visiting pastors) he is a man of God. Is it possible he is not?
Can a pastor be a good God loving person and have eternal salvation if he is money hungry???? We have a visiting pastor Jesse Duplantis who is telling us that the 10% tithe is supposed to be the first 10% BEFORE taxes. My son and his wife just had their first child, they can ill afford 10% before taxes, yet they do because we're also being exhorted to "obey the pastor whom God put before you".
Paula White comes to our church and says we should be able to go to Neiman Marcus, put on the most expensive clothing we can find, because we deserve it, how much more will God clothe us in. We are told the "supply" (whether it is a old 57 Chevy or a Rolls Royce) comes from the same source, we might as well have whatever we want.
Suddenly 2 years ago, my pastor re-built our church and started having all these high pressure preachers come in talking to us, constantly about tithing. The church has started taking 2 tithes with each service. The pastors wife is now wearing St. John suits at $2,000 each, a lot of jewels, and it irks me so badly because I really don't think the pastors should dress so much better than their parishioners, I feel insulted! Frederic Price comes to our church - he does the same thing! I will never forget the time I turned on the TV and Frederic Price was bragging about his Rolls Royce. Then I heard him insult women parishioners by calling them fat. Then I heard him start admonishing all of them about the bad checks he had received from them! The gall!!!!! We are told "make your checks out, even if you don't have the money in your accounts, God will provide". And if we don't, as there are many non tithers, we are told we are not blessed because we have not believed by faith that He will provide!!! It winds up our fault if we have a brain and can see by the Bible that these "rules" about tithing ARE NOT IN THE BIBLE.
Recently, another well known pastor came to our church and did a one man drama presentation that was so wonderfully and artfully done that I basically fell under his spell. He told us that if we did not have membership in the church that we were in danger of losing our souls, because God would be judging us corporately, as a church. WHAT???? The Bible Says that each man works out his own salvation, right? and that we will INDIVIDUALLY stand before God, right?? Have you ever heard such a crock??? Because of the roundabout way this pastor presented this idea, I came forward with A LOT of other people, as I have never joined the church. I was "processed" - that is what it felt like. I was brought to a separate room and told to join the church and my info. taken, and that I must become involved on a daily basis with the church. I am seriously disturbed by all this. Is there one, just ONE honest church or pastor???? Do you know of any????
L. Ray, are you a born again Christian? Do you believe Jesus died on the cross for your sins, and then came alive again and went up to heaven? Or are you a dissenter, a causer of trouble - because we are also cautioned to watch out for that, too. Is that also just another bid to control and manipulate us??? What should a true Christian do?????
Many thanks for listening, I hope you can understand all this, because I don't.
I called the Paula Jones Ministries (just for fun and to prove a
point) a dozen times last summer. She was asking for $40 contributions to make up a
"back to school pack" for the needy. It included a pair of tennis shoes,
pencils, etc. I asked WHERE these school packs were to be given away? No one knew. I got
put on hold, left messages, was asked my address so they could send me information, was
promised a call back, etc., etc. This went on for a month, but NO ONE would tell me where
these schools packs were to be given away, or if indeed, they where given away AT ALL! Of
course, I suspected the same, that is why I called.
I just finished reading the first part of "The Lake of Fire." I have been praying for so long for God to grant me knowledge to understand his Word. I feel he answered me by pointing me to your website. When I read this, I felt like shouting (LITERALLY).
I have printed it and intend to send it to my daughter. I have so often wondered what heaven would be like if we, "Know as we are known" yet, so many of our loved ones may not make it. Isn't God truly, truly awesome! Hallelujah!!!
I wondered while reading if the sinner were to truly understand this would they not care whether they be saved? But, I only know that it has so lifted my heart and makes everything so clear for it was so hard to reconcile our Blessed Father with such an unhappy ending for billions of his own creation.
My dear Mother died trusting in God (after being in a coma for 4 years). However, she believed in the literal lake of fire. I know that she will be waiting for ALL her children and ALL her grandchildren and won't be saddened by missing loved ones.
Please know that your word from God has come into this home, and it has been received and appreciated. I can't wait to read everything posted by you.
And something else, I was in a backslidden condition for quite a few years and found it so hard to forgive myself and to enjoy my salvation (after repentance). Your insights and understanding of God's Word can give so much hope to me, and I hope that others will seek and find as I did tonight. I would be interested in any books, periodicals, etc. that you may have written.
May God richly bless you!
Why would God, who needs nothing and is self sufficient, create us, the human race, who He knows are going to do the things we do, then save us all for eternity? Why wouldn't He just make us for what He purposed in the end. I don't know if this makes sense?
You have a deaf ear. An ear for yourself. Jesus opened the mouths of the mute, the ears of the deaf and the eyes of the blind.
Think with your heart and with the spirit of God and not your mind. The mind is the devils playground. Think with your heart ... not your mind.
May God forgive your ignorant arrogance.
God bless Ray,
Here is my question:
There are times when we read in scripture the phrase "will not inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Corin.6:9, 10, 15:50, Gal 5:21, Eph.5:5).
Now, I can understand how those who believe in "hell" would use these scriptures as a way of showing that those people mentioned in the scripture will NOT be saved-because they will not inherit the kingdom. Also, Matthew 7:21-23 speaks of "not getting in".
Please help me understand these scriptures in reference to God saving us all!
In Christ Jesus,
And trust me, God will not torture the "righteous" in an
eternal hellhole of fire.