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Debate the Trinity?
Different degrees in Hell
Who will Not be Saved?
Why is there Suffering and Evil?
A Sinful Woman's Earnest Prayer
Try That On For Size!
How did Jesus "lead captivity captive?"
Near Death Experience?
Three Days and Three Nights?
NOTHING Physical Saves Spiritually!
All I have read of your
writings seem consistent with what the Holy Spirit has been showing me about the mind sets
of the pastors and teachers you expose.
Often I struggle with how to express (choose the appropriate words)
to others what the Lord is showing me without having Satan confuse and misrepresent
the words I am saying.
Please tell me if you feel your understanding has been a result of
God renewing your mind and how and when this came about.
Jesus said that His Words were spirit and life. By the very nature of God's
revelation, it cannot be understood with a carnal mind. All of the things of God are
"spiritually discerned." So certainly the carnal mind must be changed. To
be carnally minded is DEATH, but to be spiritually minded is LIFE.
All of God's gifts of spiritual discernment, wisdom, knowledge, understanding, etc., start
small and grow. Being "born again" does not make us spiritually mature adults in
an instant of time. We grow in grace and knowledge and we mature in the spiritual things
of God. I know and understand more today than I did even yesterday. Faith itself
increases by the reading of God's Word--a process that takes time.
I was wondering if you would like to debate James White or Robert
Morey on the Trinity?
If your position is biblical and the truth, then you should have no
problem proving it.
Why is this important to you? Do they have proof of the
trinity that you are unable to present yourself?
I have had people send me literally hundreds of scripture verses
that contain the word "spirit" or "spirit of God" and then stated that
all these hundreds of verses prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is a trinity.
I have people sending me attachments containing hundreds of pages of material on a
number of subjects that I cover, with the claim that if I would read this material then
surely I would see that I am wrong in my beliefs.
I have never in my life witnessed a Biblical debate in which either side was the least bit
interested in or gave any real attention to what the opposing side said. Here is an
example of a typical debate. I give a Scripture verse to make a particular point
concerning a subject. The person with an opposing view then cites ANOTHER DIFFERENT
SCRIPTURE WHICH HE BELIEVES CONTRADICTS THE VERSE THAT I PRESENTED! As though the
Scriptures contradict and the one with the most CONTRADICTING scriptures wins the debate!
Unbelievable foolishness and stupidity!
For years I have asked some fairly simple and straight-forward questions regarding the
trinity, to which no one has ever answered. No they just go to other things and other
scriptures, but NEVER answer the contradiction to a trinity theory that I present.
I really don't have the time for this, but let me just present a few examples once more to
prove my point.
The trinity theory supposes that The Father, Son and Holy Spirit, together, as one unity,
not as individual units, but together are ONE, constitute the ONE GOD.
Why in the dozens of Scriptural discussions regarding the unity of Jesus with God His
Father is the Holy Spirit of God NOT included?
If all three are EQUALLY CO-EQUAL, why does Jesus Christ HAVE A GOD, yet the Father is
NEVER SAID TO HAVE a God?
Jesus said He didn't need to "rob" God to be equal with Him. Why? Because the
Father freely GAVE Jesus all that He had and possessed. Jesus had ALL power and ALL
authority and ALL judgment in heaven and earth. Were these things the natural
possessions of Jesus seeing that He is supposedly a third equal part of this trinity?
No, my friend. God GAVE Jesus all these things--they had an origin and the
origin is GOD THE FATHER.
Jesus Christ will be SUBJECT to God His Father for all eternity (See I Cor. 15:24-28).
Where are we told that the Father will be subject to Jesus Christ for all eternity?
And, of course, the Holy Spirit is not even mentioned in this discussion in I Cor. 15.
If the trinity is true, how is it that Jesus Christ was CONCEIVED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, but
is the SON OF GOD THE FATHER?
There are a few reasons why I don't believe in the trinity theory. I believe they
are good, well-founded, sane, Scriptural reasons. Since NO ONE has ever proves these
Scriptures wrong by other Scriptures, why would I want to debate someone who would avoid
these questions like the plague and just go in a thousand other directions trying to prove
Send these question of mine regarding the trinity to your scholarly friends and let them
give me a brief explanation of each without going into HUNDREDS of unrelated Scriptures
regarding God's spirit.
Yes my friend, If they are not saved (sadly)
they "shall like wise perish".
I believe that they are different degrees in Hell. The bible
says that they are "Judged (punished) according to there deeds". I
believe that a lost murder will suffer more in Hell, than someone who has never heard the
gospel. I would hate to see someone die and go to hell, regardless of there
That's why I have devoted my life to preach and warn them about hell
so that they will not go there. Let US tell pray for them together.
A friend in Christ
So you believe someone who has NEVER HEARD THE GOSPEL will
suffering pain, misery, heartache, despair, torture, mind-boggling insanity, for trillions
and trillions and trillions and trillions of quadrillions of centuries, over and over and
over, endless ...... For WHAT?
What kind of unscriptural insanity are you talking about. You are
telling people that the god you worship is going to torture people, albeit not quite as
severely as an unbelieving murderer, for all eternity. This is a god that people should
WORSHIP??? And I suppose you call this evil, satanic future of the human race, "The
I am not a Bible scholar and in fact must admit to
getting easily confused when I read the Bible.
Sadly I also have lots of false indoctrination to deal
with as I was raised Mormon (left), baptized Seventh Day Adventist (too legalistic) and
have been going to a Baptist church and others sporadically. (I do like Charles Stanley's
style of preaching).
I just attended a two day seminar of R. C. Sproul.
I was looking for more information on the Internet re: pre-ordination when I
stumbled on your site. I have spent this entire day reading your opinions.
I'm 62 and not as sharp as I'd like to be, but I do
believe that "everything works for good to those who love the Lord ... etc."
I am going to study you more and the scriptures and
obtain The Concordant Literal New Testament. My questions is I am sure you don't
believe in pre-ordination, but how did this belief come about?
God bless you,
Who wouldn't be confused with three-four hundred different churches and denominations and
sects peddling their brand of Christianity. Mostly, however, with a few exceptions they
are all the same. They really do teach pretty much the same false doctrines.
By the term "pre-ordination" I believe you are speaking of
"predestination" or what is called by some "election" or more
correctly the reconciliation of all, as you asked in the subject: Who will not be saved?
Some believe that God has predestined or elected certain people to
be saved from the beginning of His creation. These preordinated or predestined ones
therefore must be saved, while the rest apparently cannot be saved. This is unscriptural.
The reconciliation of ALL, that is Scriptural.
Because many people die in a condition of unbelief, theologians have taught that these
CANNOT be saved. Anyone who is UNsaved will NEVER be saved according to the popular
teaching of almost all Christendom. There is, however, not a single Scripture that states
that a person who dies UNsaved will never be saved. Most of humanity dies UNSAVED.
And I assure you, Linda, they will ALL EVENTUALLY BE SAVED, for God has said it, and
willed it, and He will bring it to pass.
It is true that "Broad is the way that leads to destruction." To
destruction, yes, but not to eternal damnation as is popularly taught. To be destroyed is
the same Greek word for lost. And Jesus Christ came to SAVED THAT WHICH IS LOST AND
DESTROYED! Read my entire letter to James Kennedy in the main paper on my site
entitled: 'EXPOSING THOSE WHO CONTRADICT.' I go through the Old Testament
that show God will resurrect ALL ISRAEL and they will THEN come to know God and God
will forgive their sins and evils of the past, and will be their God and SAVE THEM.
He will do likewise to all the Gentile nations.
Rom. 11 explains God's process is saving all Israel and all the Gentiles. It is true that
there is coming judgment and chastisement on this wicked people of this world, but that
chastisement and judgment is to correct them, not to torture them, and all such judgments
COME TO AN END. The words "forever" and "everlasting" and
"eternal" are nowhere found in the original manuscripts from which our modern
language bibles have been translated. See the first ten pages of my letter to John
Hagee for absolute proof of this.
"God WILL have all mankind to BE SAVED and come into a knowledge of the truth"
(I Tim. 2:4). See a list of the many Scriptures that prove God will save all humanity on
the last ten pages of my letter to John Hagee.
Hope this helps your understanding a little better, Linda. Read all of that paper
and look up all of the Scriptures. Check back with me if you have further questions.
God be with you.
I'm sure that with the hundreds of e-mails you
get it must be difficult to sort it all out. You seem to study the scriptures with
an intellectual approach (i.e. regarding it in the original ancient Hebrew or Greek) and
it becomes obvious that you disagree with many original translations, esp. when it comes
to specific words (sheol, aions).
My question to you is a personal one that is not particularly
related to scripture. Do you ever feel overwhelmed by the vastness of life and its
mysteries? As an intellectual you must have wondered what it all means? God could
have created an endless perfect realm but chose a design of evil and good, darkness and
light and sometimes it becomes a shallow, unsatisfying existence and the question always
remains essentially UNANSWERED as to why things are the way they are.
Why is there suffering and evil? Because God says so? Surely you
must have struggled intellectually with this one. I don't expect you to know the details
of God's plan and how evil works to fulfill it or even why God chose his methodology
but... do YOU ever wonder or are you fulfilled enough by the scriptures to let it be.
It is true that there are many mysteries that we do not understand. And yet, there is much
that we do understand, at least in part.
God is GOOD. What IS good? How does anyone BECOME GOOD?
Take a very close look at ANY VIRTUE, Jake, and see HOW IT BECAME A
VIRTUE! Is "truthfulness" a virtue if everyone always was and always will be
"truthful?" No, because there is NOTHING TO COMPARE IT WITH! Is
"patience" a virtue that one can buy at a department store? Can
"patience" be developed and achieved QUICKLY AND WITHOUT DISTRESS? I think
There is nothing, and I mean absolutely NOTHING that we can come to
understand as part of our knowledge, that is not understood by how that bit of knowledge
CONTRASTS with OTHER pieces of knowledge. Everything that exists is only understood by
contrasts. How does one know what "big" is if he doesn't know what
"small" is, and vice-a-versa? How can we say something is rough if we
don't have any concept of smooth? Up is only up in relation or contrast to down.
Light is contrasted with darkness, etc., etc., etc.
Do you see where this is going? If we are to appreciate "good," it is
essential that we have an experience of "EVIL." If we are to appreciate (I
mean REALLY appreciate) LIFE, then it is essential that we ALL DIE!!!
And so, God in His infinite wisdom, has provided all of these things--we call it
CREATION--so that mankind might experience all that is necessary to humble, educate,
experience, and appreciate, the wonderful things that God has prepared for us.
All the ugly, evil, and misery of life can be likened to the
scaffolding of a building. While creation of the new building is in progress, the
scaffolding is an eye-sore, and serves NO PRACTICAL PURPOSE except the actual creation of
the building. But, when the beautiful building is completed, we tear down the ugly
scaffolding and throw it away--it serves no more useful purpose to our completed building,
EVER. And so we read that even DEATH, the LAST ENEMY, will be ABOLISHED (I Cor.
I hope this helps your understanding a little better.
[another email same subject]
Hi L.Ray Smith,
My name is Liam I am from Auckland New Zealand, I am 19 yrs old, I
didn't know why I ever started my spiritual journey, because it has been "HELL"
I was Baptized a Catholic with my Family when I was 10yrs old, and
attended a catholic school for 6 yrs, I have always believed in God and I have always
turned to him in times of need. I grew distant from God over my teenage years where I got
heavily involved in drugs and crime.
I am a sinner Sir and I hate these New age Christians that would
come to my school (I went to a public school since I was 17) they would come to school and
do all these cool things like breakdancing and hip hop, then they would start preaching
and talking about going to hell if you didn't know Jesus and repent your sins and read the
bible everyday, obey what you read, struggle your whole life and you may have a chance to
be saved. I thought this was rubbish, but it used to get to me and get me down they made
me so angry and feel like I was one of the devils gangster's. I thought it was so fake how
they would pray over people and they would be saved like they were God or something, they
would try lure me into their church by offering cool activities and that, it really got me
down that I was turning my back on these people of the Lord, and turning my back on the
Lord because I know he is real and I love him, cant a sinner love God?
My Father died of cancer when I was 15 and I was with him when he
past away, as sad as it was it was beautiful and I said it out loud in front of my family
and they didn't tell me off, it was like they felt the beauty too. I believe my dad went
to a better place. My dad was a sinner, he was a good man helped others, was good to his
family but we all sin, he had not believed in god for 40 yrs, and he had only really
gained a strong faith in his dying years. He had done lots of wrong things but I didn't
believe he went to hell.
My friend was killed last September in a car crash in my car, my
cousin was drink driving who is 14, and he later went to jail for manslaughter. Seeing a
friend Die made death so real to me and really made me question what is our purpose of
life? Were we sent here as a stepping stone to hell our last chance to be saved because we
were bad in previous lives? Are we an organism that will just return to the earth when we
die and become nothing? (I think this belief preached is more positive than the belief of
Hell). I didn't know and I am going insane trying to work it out, I didn't believe in hell
but it is always in the back of my mind, I hate it!!!
Sir I have talked with Mormon missionaries and thought they were
true for a while, people from all sorts of Christian religions, it has only left me
confused. I have spent hours reading books about near death experiences and they make me
feel good, the ones I have read tend to dismiss hell, because "theologians have made
grand statements about Gods love being stronger than any sin we can commit and wouldn't be
so cruel to send anyone to eternal damnation."( Case of Heaven ) I have spent hours
surfing the web reading stuff on websites like your own, like ex-Mormon.com or something
which talk about what missionaries don't tell you, and I have never felt so deceived by a
person of God in my Life, the impossible task of righteousness
I strived for after being brainwashed by Mormon missionaries was
condemning and made me accept that maybe God sent me here to suffer and then die and not
even reach the kingdom of God. I think their religion is rubbish.
I have read much of your website and relate to your theories and I
thank you, however when I try look up the scriptures you quote in my bibles, they all say
different stuff, I have the Jerusalem bible and the new version something. I think
somewhere in the bible it says their will be famine in the world, not meaning no food, but
meaning no true word of God. I believe we are in that Famine now, but you Sir have
satisfied my hunger and I thank you from the bottom of my heart, but I am know hungry
again, starving can you please help me, I'm a sinner where am I going when I die, is its
Gods purpose that I am a sinner for good,
I am currently training to be a social worker I feel my life
experience is the best education you can get for the job I want does God think so? I have
asked so many questions to the lord, I have received answers but with every answer I gain
more questions, to the point I question every answer, and I am sacred that I will get to
the point where I question my whole belief and loose God from my life, I have huge doubts
because so many people of the Lord have deceived me, please Help me find a reason for the
suffering, a reason for the hunger, please help me to put these heavy depressive thoughts
at rest, please answer my prayers.
You are a very intelligent man and your wisdom inspires me, keep up
the good Lords work, may God Bless you, and guide you.
Thank you again.
I am humbled that you would look to me for spiritual guidance in this troubled and
deceived world. I can only try to point you the the Lord and Father that I worship. Let me
start by saying, not only is there "light at the end of the tunnel," Liam, but
there is also great light IN THE TUNNEL.
One of the greatest purposes for all of your heartache, fear, confusion, and despair, is
so that you will be overjoyed when your Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, reveals Himself to
you! Your experiences thus far, are mostly OF the world, and things IN the world,
and well-intentioned, albeit, deceived and carnal teachers. Your experience with
missionaries sounds like the word of Jesus when He said to the hypocritical religious
leaders of His day,
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for
you compass sea and land to make one proselyte [convert], and when he is
made, you make him twofold more [much WORSE] the child of hell [The
Greek word here is 'hades' the realm of the dead where there is NO consciousness]
than yourselves" (Matt. 23:15).
Jesus was telling them that they go to great lengths to convert
someone to their own wretched beliefs, and when they accomplish that, their new convert is
even more spiritually DEAD than the one's who tried to convert him in the first place.
These organizations of religion grow in NUMBERS, but their converts are as SPIRITUALLY
DEAD as their teachers.
Liam, the word "hell" found in many English Bibles, (but not by any means ALL
ENGLISH BIBLES, there are MANY English language Bibles that do NOT contain the word
"hell," and for good reasons), is a fraudulent translation. The word hell in the
King James Bible, for example is translated from numerous Hebrew and Greek words,
"sheol," "hades," "gehenna," "Tartarus," etc. NONE
of which has for a meaning, "A place where sinners are tortured in literal fire for
There is NO WORD in either the Hebrew or Greek manuscripts from
which ALL Bible translations come from, that has one single word, that means or has
anything to do with being tortured for all eternity in FIRE!! Learn this one fact,
Liam, and you will know more about the Bible than most TEACHERS OF THE BIBLE, in the whole
God will not torture you, Liam, or ANYONE ELSE, not even Hitler or Saddam Hussein (or his
two wretched sons), for all eternity. That is UNSCRIPTURAL and THAT IS INSANE! Mind you,
God WILL chastise ALL OF HIS CHILDREN, and correct them to think, and do, and live, right!
And sometimes times God spanks very hard, but He does not TORTURE for all ETERNITY. That
is MAD! That is satanic beyond description! God is love, and He will be merciful to His
creatures. Be SURE you real all of the installments in my paper on "The lake of
fire" that appears on my site in monthly installments.
I am sorry, Liam, but I must go to work now. I will write you more when I get a break,
God be with you, and strengthen you, and enlighten you, so as to give you peace in your
heart and mind.
Till next time,
Hello, I'm back again. Yesterday I did not have enough time to cover all that I wanted to
say to you.
You mentioned concern over the passing of love-ones who may not have
had a real conscious relationship with God. The Church will tell you that these will be
tortured in hell after death, for all eternity. Just how one tortures a DEAD PERSON is a
little hard to understand, seeing that the Scriptures make it quite clear that when a
persons dies, HE IS DEAD and has no thoughts or consciousness (See Psalm 146:4 and I Cor.
15:12-57). The Greek word "hades" often translated "hell" in many
English bibles, actually means, "the unseen or imperceptible." If one goes to a
place of NO PERCEPTION (hades) at death, how pray tell could there be
"perception" (thoughts, feelings, life) in a place of NO PERCEPTION?
All people who die are DEAD until resurrection. The chosen elect of God are joined with
Him at resurrection. The wicked and/or unbelievers are judged at resurrection. Judgment
SETS THINGS RIGHT. Contrary to all the lies of Christendom, Liam, here is what actually
and Scripturally happens when the unbelievers of this life are resurrected by to life:
"...For when Thy [that's God's]
JUDGMENTS are in the earth, the inhabitants of the WORLD [all of them]
WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS" (Isaiah 26:9).
That should be comforting to every person who reads this verse. To
be sure the wicked will be chastised just as a father chastises his children to correct
them and show them the right way to go. However, they "WILL [not
maybe] LEARN righteousness."
If you have not read the entire paper on "EXPOSING THOSE WHO CONTRADICT" on my
web site, I highly suggest you do. Those couples of letters to John Hagee, and James
Kennedy will show you the truth about the gospel of Jesus Christ, and God's plan of
salvation for the whole world.
Pray daily that God will open you heart, mind and spirit to His Truths. If you have
question, ask me. And let me know from time to time how your are getting along, Okay?
Good. We will be praying for you as well.
God be with you,
I'm amazed that God would so
precisely answer this simple, sinful woman's earnest prayer:
"God, please! I'm tired of being tossed to and
fro... Ground me in your truth, please!"
I cannot believe that God would allow someone like ME
to know these things. You must know how it has changed my everyday life in so many ways
(it's actually more like two steps forward one step back, but that's due to my always
yearning for the things back in "Egypt.") just knowing God is truthful and
faithful to his word is far above RUBIES... wowee! Boy, am I happy!
The way you and I see the kindness of God through the
faces of kittens (I think of that sometimes when I look at my cat! it's so amazing
that you should say that!), and the way I see the love and faithfulness of God through
p.s. You didn't lose a son - you gained a lot of
hungry, starving children, who are now well-fed and giving God the glory for it!!!
Your kind words are inspiring to me and my staff (of two, who also have full-time jobs). I
believe that most of my readers believe that this web site is all that I do.
Actually we have three cats. My daughter has an all
black, my wife a half black/half white, and I have this gorgeous long-haired Persian
calico, that I think is one of the cutest animals I have ever seen.
Love, grace, and peace,
Read Matt: 13:42 and try that
on for size.
I am not sure what you mean by "try that on for size." Do you not understand
this verse and are asking for an explanation?
Many spiritually ignorant people believe that Jesus is saying that He will torture people
in a "furnace of fire" for all eternity. I don't know why they think He would do
that. Perhaps they think Jesus is a trillions billions times meaner than Saddam's two
terrorist sons were.
The Scriptures speak many times about a furnace of fire melting, purifying, and burning
off the unwanted dross when refining such metals as silver and gold. In I Cor.
3:12-12 Pauls gives us this same analogy of purifying gold, silver, or precious stones,
while burning off the dross of wood, straw, and stubble. But Paul is clearly speaking of
PEOPLE'S WORKS being tried and purified in this fire. The result of ALL that go through
this purifying fire of God is that THEY ARE ALL SAVED! "If any man's work shall be
burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself SHALL BE SAVED, yet so as BY
FIRE." There is the wonderful good news about the outcome of God's divine judgments.
And so Jesus also alluded to this endtime judgment of the lake of fire when everyman's
work would be tried in the lake of fire (or furnace of fire). And we know just what the
fire is, because it purifies as brimstone, which is DIVINE! God HIMSELF IS a
"consuming fire" (Heb. 12:29). God even prophesied of this purifying fire of
judgment back in the book of Malachi. I don't have the time to prove to you from the Bible
that "Levi" is representative of ALL HUMANITY, but with that in mind, let's read
Malachi 32-3, "But who may abide the day of His coming? and sho shall stand when He
appears? for He is like a REFINER'S FIRE, and like fullers' sope: and He shall sit as a
REFINER AND PURIFIER [need I even comment that we do not torture or punish silver and gold
in a furnace?] of silver: and He shall purify THE SONS OF LEVI, and purge them AS gold and
silver, [why? for the fun of torturing them for all eternity? No, read on...] that they
may offer unto the Lord an OFFERING IN RIGHTEOUSNESS!
Oh how so many Christians despise these marvelous words of God! God's judgments bring
RIGHTEOUSNESS, NOT ETERNAL TORTURE! That's SATANIC! God IS righteous and when our
Righteous God brings judgment upon the world, they TOO will become righteous! Sure they
will. The fires of God's spiritual furnace will PURGE AND PURIFY all mankind. We read of
it EVERYWHERE in His Word:
"...For when thy [God's]
JUDGMENTS are in the earth, the INHABITANTS OF THE WORLD will learn RIGHTEOUSNESS"
And so, if I may borrow your words, "TRY THAT ON
I've written you a few times over the past year and you
have always made time to respond. I appreciate that! I have a question
regarding Ephesians 4:8-10 that I'd like your opinion on. I'll provide the verses:
8 wherefore, he saith, 'Having gone up on high he led
captive captivity, and gave gifts to men,'
9 and that, he went up, what is it except that he also
went down first to the lower parts of the earth?
10 he who went down is the same also who went up far
above all the heavens, that He may fill all things (Young's)
In the KJV verse 8 says:
Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led
captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
What do you think verse 8 is telling us? Numerous
amounts of people have told me that this verse is referencing an event where Christ freed
the captives (apparently those who died) and took them to Heaven. I went to Strong's
lexicon and apparently the word Captivity is defined as such:
1) to make captive, take captive, capture. Captive is
Now, looking at these definitions, I don't see anything
here that would render captive or captivity referring to people. Looking at Young's
and the CLNT, it appears as if an action is being taken against "captivity".
This captivity (to me) suggests either death or hades. Perhaps I'm grasping
for straws here.
I have read and agree with everything you have written.
I agree with it because I've done the searching myself and found that just about
all your conclusions are accurate and scriptural. Please let me know what you think.
Thank you for your email and question.
Unfortunately, we can not often learn the meaning of Scriptures from Strong's Lexicon. We
learn from God by comparing Scripture with Scripture, spiritual with spiritual, and only
then by the inspiration of His Spirit.
And like many Scriptures in God's Word, the Christian World understand little about
spiritual things. Furthermore, when the Scriptures suggest that God is and will be
triumphant and victorious over ALL ENEMIES, the theologians of this world are quick to
reel God in and diminish often to ought the grand declarations of God and His
accomplishments and blessings. Witness their turning I Tim. 2:4,
"For this is GOOD and ACCEPTABLE in the
sight of God our Saviour; Who will have ALL MEN TO BE SAVED, and to come unto the
knowledge of the TRUTH,"
into an unattainable "WEAK WISH."
Now then, just how did Jesus, "lead captivity captive" (Eph. 4:8)?
This is, of course, a quotation from Psalm 68:18. After reading Psalm 68:18 &
19, read verse 20, "He that is our God is the GOD OF SALVATION; and unto God the Lord
belong the issues from DEATH."
There is the answer to this enigmatic verse in Ephesians 4:8. Notice that this verse
does not say that Jesus "sets captives free." That is not to say that
"captives" are not set free, but that is not what THIS particular verse is
saying. It is "captivity" ITSELF that is "captured." Notice the
Concordant New Literal New Testament's treatment of this verse: "Ascending on
high, He captures captivity, And gives gifts to mankind." So it is definitely
"captivity" itself that is "captured," not "captives set
free" as the Church suggests.
Now Strong's is correct in that "captivity" does, make captive, take captive or
captures. And those who ARE made captive, taken captive, or captured, are called
"CAPTIVES." Hope I didn't loose you yet.
And so "captivity" is the instrumentality that brings about "captured
captives," if you will. God is here labeling all the evils of the world under
the one word "captivity." There is a new spiritual law mentioned under the New
Covenant called "The Law of Liberty" (James 1:25). Notice that while the
"false prophets" of II Pet. 2:1, "...promise them LIBERTY, they themselves
are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the SAME is he
brought IN BONDAGE" (Verse 20). Rev. 13:10 says, "He that leads into captivity
shall GO into captivity...."
Satan, Religion, the World, our own Carnal Mind--all LEAD US INTO CAPTIVITY, hence we
become CAPTIVES. Jesus Christ took ALL CAPTIVITY--ALL THAT CAPTURES, and made a
CAPTIVE OF IT ALL. Just how did He do this? (1) "He also DESCENDED first
into the LOWER PART OF THE EARTH" (Eph. 4:9). This "descending into the lower
part [the very HEART] of the earth" was the very sign of Christ's Messiahship!
"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son
of man [Christ] in three days and three nights IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH"
(Matt. 12:40). Contrary to what even I used to believe, this verse is not speaking of the
"length" of time that Jesus would be buried, but rather the DEPTH OF SUFFERING
He would endure during that three day period of Passover when they crucified our Lord.
(Remember how He sweat BLOOD in the Garden)?
The trials and temptations in the desert with Satan cannot be compared with the suffering
of those three days of Passover that Jesus went through. So what did it all accomplish?
EVERYTHING! John 16:33, "These things I have spoken unto you, that in me
ye might have PEACE. In the world ye shall have tribulation: BUT BE OF GOOD CHEER; I HAVE OVERCOME
THE WORLD"!!! JESUS CHRIST LEAD CAPTIVITY CAPTIVE!!! He overcame and CONQUERED ALL
ENEMIES, including DEATH ITSELF! And truly, He now has GREAT AND MARVELOUS GIFTS TO
GIVE UNTO ALL MANKIND, not the least of which is I Tim. 2:4, and 4:10!
And of the immediate gifts Christ gave, we read:
"And he gave some apostles and some,
prophets; and some , evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; for the PERFECTING [MATURING]
of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ"
And finally this:
"The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me,
because He has anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor; he has sent Me to heal the
broken-hearted, to preach DELIVERANCE TO THE CAPTIVES, and recovering of sight to the [spiritually]
blind, to set at LIBERTY them that are bruised [crushed by the burden of this
world, which Christ OVERCAME], To preach the acceptable year of the Lord ... And
He [Jesus] began to say unto them, 'THIS DAY IS THIS SCRIPTURE FULFILLED
IN YOUR EARS" Luke 4:18-19 & 21).
Hope this helps your understanding a little better.
God be with you,
Hell is real. If a person did not have Jesus
Christ, he/she is condemned to Hell.
Jesus said: I am the way, the truth and the life. No
man comes to the father accept by me.
Have you ever have a near death experience? If
you have, then you will know.
May God give you a revelation of what hell is about.
Do you mean that everyone gets to have one of these
"near death experiences" so that if they did not believe in a place called hell,
then they will believe? And if they do believe in hell (not Jesus, but hell) then they
will be saved and come back to life again?
Do the people who have these near death experiences believe in Jesus BEFORE they have this
near hell experience, WHILE they are experiencing hell, or AFTER they return from the hell
If this "near death/hell experience" is effective in getting people to believe
in both hell AND Jesus, then that would be a very very good thing, wouldn't it? God could
then SAVE ALL HUMANITY, just by giving everyone a "near death/hell experience"
before they REALLY DIE ALL THE WAY DEAD?
Will you please answer all these questions (please don't leave any out and skip over it,
okay, because this is most important to know). I could number all of my questions if
you like, if that would make it easier.
If you answer all of my questions, I PROMISE that I
will post your answers on my web site for the everyone to read. We have had nearly a
QUARTER MILLION visitors to our site in the first three years. That would be a wonderful
way to save hundreds of thousands of people, if what you say is true.
THANK YOU for your concern and for the answers you will give me regarding my questions.
Very sincerely yours,
On your Email question and answer on a reply to a
question you mention Matt.12;40 saying that the verse is not speaking about the
length of time that Jesus was buried. Why is your view changed?
You are a pretty sharp guy to catch that! I will write a separate paper on this subject in
the near future, or I may incorporate it into my paper on "The Lake of Fire."
I changed my view, because as of three months ago, I realized I was teaching heresy
regarding these "three days and three nights." I spent tens of hours on this
subject a couple of months back, when I should have been writing on my paper. A friend
believed that "three days and three nights" could mean any part of three days
and three nights. I said that "three days and three nights" could not possibly
means "Friday night, Saturday day, and Saturday night." That's only ONE day and
I calculated EVERY CONCEIVABLE way possible to have Christ resurrected early Sunday
morning while it was just beginning to dawn, and yet, go backwards "three NIGHTS and
three DAYS" and arrive a time and day that would fit all of the other statements
regarding the crucifixion, burial, and resurrection--the Passover preparation day, the
hurrying to bury Christ because of impending weekly Sabbath, that that Sabbath that year
was "an high or holy" day in addition to being the weekly sabbath, etc., etc.
Anyway, I found that IT CANNOT BE DONE! IT WON'T
FIT! No matter how anyone configures the Passover, Days of Unleavened Bread, weekly
Sabbath, etc., IT CANNOT BE DONE--it will not fit. I spent hours and hours just on the
Scripture in Luke's account where the men going to Emmaus were accosted by our Lord, and
one of them remarked, "And beside all this, TO DAY IS THE THIRD DAY since these
things were done" (Luke 24:21). But I found one translation that said, "Besides
all this, IT HAS ALREADY BEEN THREE DAYS since these things were done." I
thought I was really on to something here. NOT!
I obviously prayed to God to give me understanding. After one of my intense sessions with
the Scriptures regarding this matter, I went to the kitchen for a drink, and while on my
way God turned on a light bulb in my spirit. I had FAILED MYSELF TO DO WHAT I HAVE BEEN
TEACHING OTHERS. I was thrilled with the answer--God gave me the answer.
I called Michael, and informed him that "he was RIGHT after all." By
combining ALL of the Scriptural statements regarding Christ's crucifixion, He HAD to be
buried on Friday evening and raised Sunday morning! And Michael was delighted to know that
he was right after all. But my next statement floored him. I then told Michael that I WAS
RIGHT ALSO. THAT JESUS CHRIST REALLY WAS THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE HEART
OF THE EARTH!
Well, Michael was now bewildered--HOW CAN THAT BE,
THAT'S A CONTRADICTION! I told him that it is no contradiction, we were both right
and we were both wrong. Jesus Christ was buried Friday evening and rose Sunday morning,
and yet, was also "three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."
Two things I neglected to follow:
Jesus Christ ALWAYS, ALWAYS spoke to the multitudes
in public in PARABLES. Parables are not LITERAL, neither do they lie. I neglected to
this teaching of Jesus as a "parable."
It NOWHERE SAYS that Jesus would be "DEAD for
three days and three nights." I just ASSUMED that is what was meant by the phrase
"in the HEART OF THE EARTH."
I'll just give you the gist of the answer, as my time
is limited right now. Jesus called "three days and three nights in the HEART OF THE
EARTH," "the SIGN of Jonah." Now then, if Christ was to be DEAD for
the exact period of TIME of three days and three nights, How then could that be "the
sign of Jonah?" JONAH WAS NOT DEAD AT ALL!!! Jonah went through 'A LIVING
HELL' if you will! Besides, Jesus was NOT buried in the "HEART" of the earth, He
was buried in an ABOVE THE EARTH TOMB! Maybe twenty inches or so on the other side of a
"In the HEART OF THE EARTH" is a parable
showing the unbelievable agony of the human spirit and flesh that Jesus would go through
LEADING UP TO and INCLUDING the time in the tomb. And those three days began on the
PREPARATION FOR THE PASSOVER, seeing that Jesus, HIMSELF, was to BE THE PASSOVER!!!
And don't forget the AGONY IN THE GARDEN when Jesus
SWEAT BLOOD!! No one will ever know what torture He endured those "three days and
three nights in the HEART OF THE EARTH." BEFORE the beatings and crucifixion we read
"NOW is My SOUL TROUBLED [Greek:
DISTRESSED, IN TURMOIL!]; and what shall I say? Father, save Me from this hour:
but for his cause came I unto THIS HOUR" (John 23:27).
The "heart of the earth" is the very DEPTH OF
THE FLESH. The flesh of man is "of the EARTH, EARTHY" Paul tells us.
Again, thank you for your keen observation.
God be with you,
[another email on same subject]
Hello Mr. Smith,
I have been reading the material that you have posted on your website, and I find it very
informative and in-depth. You have been blessed with the gift of insight on matters
pertaining to traditional belief compared to what God is actually telling us in His Word.
In reading some of the material, I came across your email reply to Mr. Urban (pertaining
to Jesus' Resurrection (Three Days and Three Nights). I have to say that I
respectfully disagree with your conclusion that Jesus was buried on Friday and rose
on Sunday morning. More so because, the sign of Jonah was the only sign that He gave
to the masses of people, Pharisee and Sadducees. Three days and three nights are
the bases of His resurrection, mainly because He said it would be so. Taking it as
the only proof to them that He is who He said He was. This sign to them would be a
defining factor in the generations to come, of the death and resurrection of the Son of
Ok, where to begin. I will start by saying that the "In the heart of the
Earth" analysis that you gave was good and intriguing. But it appears that in
comparison with the statement of "In the heart of the seas" part of Jonah's
(Jonah 2:2-9) prayer to God from inside the belly of the great fish, does not appear to
hold true with your analysis. More so, it appears that it is proof that Jesus was
three days and three nights in the grave. I agree that Jesus only spoke to the masses in
parables, but I don't agree that the only sign that Jesus gave to the masses, Pharisee and
Sadducess about his resurrection (In The Heart of the Earth) , was a parable.
Yes, I do agree that Jonah was alive inside the fish's stomach, because he wouldn't have
been able to pray to God if he was dead, but it was a symbol of death. The great
fish was his grave. But, Jesus used the sign of the prophet Jonah as a signature to
the length of time that He would be in the grave and he taught his disciples as such.
(Mark 10:34, 9:31, 8:31, 16:21). In fact the angels confirmed that he had risen as
Jesus had said.
It was also mentioned in the reply to Mr. Urban that a Friday burial and a Sunday
resurrection was possible. Compared to the teachings of Jesus, it can not be
possible. You were correct in your analysis that, that was only one day and two
nights and it would not fit. The only way that a three day and three night burial
would fit, would be only if Jesus was crucified on Wednesday. Which I believe He
was. So what we are dealing with is the definition of a day (24 hour period) during
the time of Jesus' ministry.
We know that a day is defined from sunset to sunset ([Genesis 1:5-31] "evening and
morning"). Without taking a lot of space here, It is determined that
Wednesday evening was the time of Jesse's crucifixion. This is stated, because there
was two Sabbaths that week. The High Sabbath (The beginning of Days of Unleaven
Bread) and the weekly Sabbath. Jesus was resurrected some time late Saturday
evening. This is stated because, there is no Scripture that contributes to or says
that Jesus was resurrected at sunrise on Sunday. In John 20:1 it is stated that Mary
went to Jesus' tomb while it was still dark and He was already resurrected.
Please feel free in enlightening me in some of the points that I may have missed. I
perceive that your studies are really in depth and thought provoking.
I am glad that I stumbled upon your site, but, we both
know that it was not by chance.
Thank you for your email and comments.
I had a long email exchange with a member of the Worldwide Church of God regarding your
same arguments. I was presented with an article on this subject by Herbert W. Armstrong. I
informed the questioner regarding this matter that Mr. Armstrong had decidedly NOT written
that article even though His name was on it. I knew Mr. Armstrong personally, and he did
NOT write that paper. But be that what it may, the article used the same argument for
Christ being literally in the "grave" or "tomb" for three days AND
three nights. But in order to accomplish this unscriptural feat, they had to first
establish that the statement: "...since these THINGS were done" in Luke 24:21,
INCLUDED the "setting of the guard" at the tomb. And just WHY would they insist
that "these THINGS" including the "setting of the guard?" Because if
it didn't include the setting of the guard, then their whole argument would crumble. Try
it out yourself:
IF, as you say the crucifixion would have HAD to be on Wednesday evening, then going
forward "three days AND three nights" would bring us to Saturday evening BEFORE
sunset. Now then, how could LATE SUNDAY AFTERNOON be "...and beside all this,
TO DAY IS THE THIRD DAY since these things were done. And it is PROPERLY TRANSLATED
"TO DAY IS the third day," and not "it HAS BEEN THREE days." How,
Clayton, could "to day"--late SUNDAY afternoon be "THE THIRD
DAY" since "these things were done," it would have then been the FOURTH
DAY "since these things were done"?
It is total deception to try include "setting of the guard" as part of
"these THINGS." This is ONLY done to push this statement forward another day so
that "to day IS THE THIRD DAY since these things were done." NO, these verses
plainly tell us how far back "THESE THINGS..." go. They do NOT go back to the
"setting of the guard," but to the CRUCIFIXION ITSELF--Verse 20, "And how
the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and HAVE
CRUCIFIED Him." If we go back in time from the RESURRECTION only to the
"setting of the guard," then "these things" would NOT EVEN INCLUDED
THE CRUCIFIXION ITSELF, WHICH THESE TWO MEN DEFINITELY SAID 'THESE THINGS' INCLUDED!!
And this is but ONE of the problems with a three days and three nights "in the TOMB
theory" over the three days and three nights "in the HEART OF THE EARTH Scripture."
I prefer to go with the SCRIPTURE rather than the THEORY.
God be with you,
I believe that the original Sabbath should still be
practiced today, but here again I don't know, maybe I am wrong. Maybe I missed
something in the Bible that shows me that Sunday is the day.
Will it be wrong for me to be baptized by one of the
members from our Bible Study group? And, is baptism just water baptism? Where
and how do we receive the Holy Spirit. Do all of us get it automatically or does our
Creator picks and chooses? I don't know, I am confused.
Thank you for your time.
P.S. I did read the article about Kennedy's
sermon. I personally think TBN is a nest of vipers!! They may as well call
themselves God, Incorporated.
I can certainly understand your situation. There are maybe a thousand Christians churches
teaching nearly the same things, however, different enough to call themselves by another
name. I believe, however, that they all will take 10% of your salary and call it God's
Tithe, regardless of what church YOU belong to.
There are lots of theories as to how one gets saved--what is required and what is not,
what has been done away with and what has not. Usually people end up just picking a few
things that they personally believe are important and try to stick to those. Maybe the one
single most important physical ritual in all the Old Testament was
"circumcision." The most demeaning thing that one could be called was an
"Uncircumcised Gentile." Wow, how horrible.
Circumcision is the cutting of the foreskin of a boy when he is eight days old. It came to
represent the purifying of the human heart. As though eight day olds could have their
hearts purified. Flesh became synonymous with a carnal mind, and mind and attitude
against God's will and commandments. It was just a physical ritual of cutting off a few
centimeters of skin, but it was to picture THE ACTUAL CONVERSION OF THE HUMAN HEART AND
TOTAL DEDICATIONS TO GOD. And mind you, the unfortunate female could not partake of this
most revered ritual at all!
Well, don't you know, all Jewish babies were circumcised, as are all orthodox babies to
this day, but there was a problem. They were all physically circumcised, but almost no one
was circumcised spiritually in their heart, AND THAT IS WHAT IT REPRESENTED!
It was all the circumcised Jews in Jerusalem that
crucified their own Messiah. The circumcised scribes and Pharisees were among the most
hypocritical pack of lying, lusting, thieves on earth. Saul of Tarsus was circumcised the
eight day as commanded--he also slaughtered many in Christ's Church and became the WORST
SINNER IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD.
I could go on and on. By the way, that pack of cut throat murders that chanted
"CRUCIFY HIM, CRUCIFY HIM"--They were the ones that BELIEVED ON JESUS, WERE
BAPTIZED BY JOHN, AND KEPT THE SABBATH DAY COMMAND EVERY WEEK!!!
Yet, I get emails every week, Lisa, telling me that we MUST "keep the Sabbath,"
we MUST "pay our tithes," we MUST observe the "Lord's supper," we MUST
be "baptized in water," "we MUST "keep the ten commandments,"
etc., or we CAN'T BE SAVED!!!
Satan and his ministers APPEAR as angels of light! But Jesus said, "Satan DECEIVES
THE WHOLE WORLD!" Do you think that just maybe professing Christians are part of
"THE WHOLE WORLD?"
Do physical rituals, SPIRITUALLY SAVE A PERSON?
Most of Christendom and their highly schooled clergymen, have not a clue that we are under
A NEW COVENANT, and that it is NOT PATTERNED AFTER THE OLD COVENANT! God said:
"I will make a NEW covenant with the [spiritual]
house of Israel and with the House of Judah. NOT ACCORDING... [that's 'NOT
according...'] ...NOT ACCORDING to the [old] covenant that I made
with their fathers..." (Heb. 8:8-9).
Yet all of Christendom virtually teaches that the New
Covenant is IN ACCORD WITH THE OLD covenant. That really, the New Testament to them is
"Keeping the Old covenant BETTER than they used to keep the OLD COVENANT!!!
Uncircumcised, unscriptural, HOG-WASH!!
"Think NOT that I am come to destroy the
law or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, BUT TO FULFILL"
Now follow this closely:
Did not Jesus say He came to "FULFILL" the
Did He in reality and actually, "fulfill" all the prophecies concerning Himself
and His ministry?
YES HE DID!
Are those very SAME prophecies, therefore, still to
be continuously fulfilled, over and over and over down through the centuries?
NO, JESUS HAS ALREADY FULFILLED THEM--ONCE FOR ALL!
Did Jesus also "FULFILL" the law? YES HE
Are we then to continuously fulfill the law, over and over and over down through the
Contrary to all Christendom and the Supreme Court Judge of Alabama, NO WE ARE NOT!
WE ARE NOT, I REPEAT 'NOT' UNDER THE SAME OLD COVENANT
LAWS TODAY!!! Jesus Christ and the Apostles SAID SO.
"In that He [Jesus] said,
A NEW COVENANT, he has made the first OLD. Now that which decays and waxes old is ready to
VANISH AWAY" (Heb. 8:13).
Will we believe these words or not?
Here is the real answer:
"For the LOVE of Christ constrains us
because we thus judge, that if One died for all, then were ALL DEAD: And that He died for
all, that they which live should NOT henceforth live unto themselves, but unto HIM which
died for them, and rose again. Where henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea,
though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet NOW HENCEFORTH KNOW WE HIM NO
MORE. THEREFORE if any man be IN CHRIST, he is A NEW CREATURE: old things
are passed away; BEHOLD, all things are become new"!!! (II Cor. 5:14-17).
If you are IN CHRIST, then CHRIST IS IN YOU, and Christ
will live a NEW LIFE IN YOU THROUGH THE SPIRIT OF GOD, and not through the carnal minded
flesh of man.
THERE IS NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, THAT ONE CAN DO 'PHYSICALLY' TO GET SAVED
But what about all these 'physical things' of circumcision and baptism? Do we not have to
be circumcised and baptized? YES WE DO! ABSOLUTELY. And here is how it is to be done:
"Beware lest any man spoil you through
philosophy [theological doctrines] and vain DECEIT, after the TRADITION
OF MEN, after the RUDIMENTS OF THE WORLD, and not AFTER CHRIST. For IN HIM dwells all the
fullness of the Godhead bodily. And YOU ARE COMPLETE IN HIM, which is the Head of
all principality and power: In Whom also ye ARE CIRCUMCISED [how so?]
with the circumcision made WITHOUT HANDS [or knives], in putting off the
BODY OF THE SINS OF THE FLESH by the CIRCUMCISION OF CHRIST: [notice, no
period...] Buried WITH HIM [in 'WATER baptism?' No...] in baptism
[how so? same way! 'WITHOUT HANDS; WITHOUT WATER, 'in putting off the body of the
SINS OF THE FLESH by the BAPTISM OF CHRIST--there is but 'ONE BAPTISM,' Eph. 4:5!],
wherein also you are risen WITH HIM through the faith of the operation of God Who has
raised Him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the UNcircumcision of your
flesh, has He quickened together WITH HIM, having forgiven you ALL TRESPASSES
... Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or
in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon or of the sabbath days: Which
are a SHADOW of things to come, but the body [the SUBSTANCE, the REALITY OF THE
SHADOW, the BODY OF CHRIST WHICH WAS CASTING THE SHADOW] is of [or
belongs to] CHRIST" (Col. 2:8-13 & 16-17)!!!
At the conference at Jerusalem spoken of in the 15th
chapter of Acts, Christian Pharisees were demanding that newly converted Gentiles must BE
CIRCUMCISED AND KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES. Did the Apostles, elders, disciples,
and the whole church under the inspiration of God's Holy Spirit conclude that they should:
A. Be circumcised, but NOT to keep the law of Moses?
B. Keep the law of Moses, but NOT to be circumcised?
C. Be circumcised, AND keep the law of Moses?
D. NONE OF THE ABOVE?
It is, of course, NONE OF THE ABOVE. They ALL concluded in complete harmony with each
other and the Spirit of God, that new Christian converts were not to be circumcised OR
keep the law of Moses. Now everyone knows (don't they?) that the ritual of circumcision
was the most important physical ritual in all the Old Covenant, and that that the Old
Covenant itself WAS the 'Ten Commandments.'
"And He [GOD] declared
unto you His [Old now] Covenant, which He commanded you to perform, EVEN
TEN COMMANDMENTS; and He wrote them upon two tables of stone" (Deut. 4:13).
The TEN COMMANDMENTS were, in effect, THE OLD COVENANT!
Read all of Acts 15 and see for yourself that the OLD covenant ten commandments and
circumcision were NOT enforced upon NEW CHRISTIAN CONVERTS UNDER THE NEW COVENANT!
When we have JESUS CHRIST LIVING IN OUR VERY HEARTS AND MINDS AND SPIRITS, we don't need
laws chiseled into hearts of STONY TABLETS! We must live a spiritual life FAR FAR
ABOVE that of the legalistic Pharisaical hypocrites that thought that obeying physical
laws makes a man SPIRITUAL.
One could KILL HIS ENEMIES under the Old Covenant. Well he can't anymore. Now a Christian
MUST LOVE ALL OF HIS ENEMIES! One was to performed his oaths unto the Lord in the Old
Covenant, but now a Christian is "NOT TO SWEAR AT ALL." You see NOT
SWEARING is NOT the spiritual application of SWEARING. They are DIFFERENT. And the New is
BETTER! One was not to commit the actual act of physical intercourse with another man's
wife, under the Old Covenant. But now ... NOW, we dare not even "LOOK upon a woman to
lust after her"!!!
Are you getting the picture? Are you beginning to hear with your spiritual ears and
perceive with you spiritual eyes and understand in your SPIRITUAL HEART? GOOD!
GOD BLESS YOU!
Peace and grace to you and yours, always,
P.S. God will give His Holy Spirit to those whom He has
called and chosen. There are no physical formulas now that we know Christ no more after
the flesh, we are COMPLETE IN HIM, which certainly includes His Holy Spirit.
P.P.S. I do not go to institutionalized churches as a religious habit. I do meet,
however, with like-minded believers at every opportunity.