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southland

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Divorce
« on: May 31, 2009, 02:48:46 AM »

I have been divorced for many years now, and I remember reading something Ray wrote about divorce,
would someone be able show me the link. I often feel guilt also about this, even though my daughters mother and I have managed to stay friends over the years.

Matt
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aqrinc

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Re: Divorce
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2009, 03:08:22 AM »

Hi Matt,

There is a lot of information discussed on the Forum about Divorce and Remarriage. The first link is a search result link on the BT Forum Site, the second is a q & a with Ray .


http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?action=search2;params=YWR2YW5jZWR8J3wwfCJ8YnJkfCd8NnwifHNob3dfY29tcGxldGV8J3x8InxzdWJqZWN0X29ubHl8J3x8Inxzb3J0fCd8cmVsZXZhbmNlfCJ8c29ydF9kaXJ8J3xkZXNjfCJ8c2VhcmNofCd8ZGl2b3JjZQ==


http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2774.msg20560.html#msg20560

Ray,
    Since you seem to have the answer to every question here are two more.
    Do you think the Bible forbids make-up and how do you base your answer on scripture?
    What does the Bible teach us about divorce and remarriage? What are the grounds for divorce and does that allow remarriage if your 1st husband still lives?
    Thanks,
    Bessie
     

    Dear Bessie:
    Yep, I have an answer for everything:  even if my answer is, "I DON'T KNOW."
     
    Jezebel painted her eyes [eyelids] (II Kings 9:30), although I don't know that we should be emulating Jezebel.
     
    Cosmetics are not mentioned per se in the Scriptures.  However, there are allusions to cosmetics and make-up.  In I Tim. 2:9 Paul tells the women to "adorn themselves in modest apparel....."
    Adorn means to decorate, and it could apply to fixing the hair and ointments, perfumes, cosmetics, and the like.  The point being that the "decorations" are to be modest and in good taste.  Jer. 4:30 says, "...though you deck yourself with ornaments of gold, though you [Heb:  'enlarge your eyes with paint'] , in vain shall you make yourself FAIR; your lovers will despise you, they will seek your life."
     
    God doesn't say that it was WRONG to put on cosmetics and improve the eyes, He merely says that IT WILL NOT WORK. It won't achieve the desired result. My personal feeling is that most women look a little better with a little make up, but a lot worse with a lot of make-up.
     
    Divorce:  The only way that Jesus said one can leave a make and/or marry another is if there is "pornia" present (called 'forniction') in the King James.  Pornia means "prostitution," but it can also mean a host of sexual immorality.  Also, Paul tells us that if a man will not provide for his own family, he is "WORSE than an infidel." The same is true of a man or deserts his family, or abuses his wife or children. In such cases of "immorality" a mate should not be considered bound.
     
    God be with you,
    Ray

Hope this helps,

george. :)

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southland

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Re: Divorce
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2009, 05:48:49 AM »

That sort of helps thanks George.

I have had a long history of mental illness...to cut a long story short, I was to mentally ill to
work. In the end it wore her down and she asked me to leave as she couldn't cope anymore.

I don't really go into all the details here.

But does that mean that I can never get married again?

Matt :)
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mharrell08

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Re: Divorce
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2009, 11:19:36 AM »

That sort of helps thanks George.

I have had a long history of mental illness...to cut a long story short, I was to mentally ill to
work. In the end it wore her down and she asked me to leave as she couldn't cope anymore.

I don't really go into all the details here.

But does that mean that I can never get married again?

Matt :)


Hello Matt,

No one here is qualified to tell you have to live your life, neither is Ray...he simply teaches what the scriptures have already been saying for thousands of years.

But I do like his point below...move on with your life. If your wife has divorced/left/deserted you, then move on. Don't tie yourself up in a knot about this.

Email reply from Ray (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,7413.msg58866.html#msg58866):

Dear Max:  There are a hundred good reasons why I don't get involved in counseling people in divorce and remarriage situations and other legal matters.  One ends up in the same situation as Paul called "endless genealogies."  I assume you may be referring to your own marriage with this question?  Okay, so you marry a woman who was not legally divorced based on her husband committing adultery. They just divorced for whatever reasons. Now then, are you legally married to her and is she legally married to you?  Well........has her husband remarried?  Cause if he did, then he IS committing adultery, seeing that your divorce was apparently not legal in God's eyes.  So now that he is married (legal or not) to another and having sex (adultery) with another woman, she could not legally divorce him on grounds of adultery. But you are already divorced, he is now married, and she now married.  Okay, suppose her husband is not remarried and is not committing adultery, then what?  Should she legally divorce you according to the laws of the law, and remarry her old husband if he will have her?  What if he really does WANT HER?  And what if she really decides that she did love him and wants to divorce you now and remarry her old husband?  Can they do that?  (In "God's" eyes?)
     
    What if you die, and your present wife who is not legally divorced because there was no adultery in her first marriage, wants to remarry a third man, and the third man is legally divorced because his wife did commit adultery, can she marry him if her first husband will not take her back, even though he never did commit adultery on her when they were married?  But what if your wife really did commit adultery in her first marriage, but her first husband forgave her and didn't want to divorce her, but she wanted to divorce him, because she felt guilty for betraying him? Can she divorce him if it was her who committed the adultery, and then marry you?  I could go on like this for hours and hours.
     
    It's just more "endless genealogy," and I won't get involved in it. Furthermore, NO ONE will divorce their mate if they love them, no matter WHAT I would say, so this whole conversation is pretty close to pointless.  Furthermore, I don't believe that I have ever had anyone tell me the absolute truth when asking me to "settle" such convoluted marital situations.
     
    Listen:  You cannot UN-ring a bell.  Sometimes it is not possible to go back and straighten out all of the convoluted mistakes we made in life and such things as marriage and remarriage. Repent for what you have done and for what you are and GO ON with you life.  If a husband BEATS his wife, or ABUSES the children, or does NOT PROVIDE food and shelter for his family, or is totally IMMORAL, or DESERTS his wife, or DIES, then the wife is not expected to remained married to such a man if she does not desire, and the same is true she the wife commit these crimes.  Almost all other things are just excuses to have one's cake and eat it too. I hope this has been a little helpful to you.
    God be with you,
    Ray



Hope this helps,

Marques
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southland

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Re: Divorce
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2009, 11:34:49 PM »

Thanks George and Marques :)

You helped me sort this problem out.

Matt
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aqrinc

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Re: Divorce
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2009, 11:40:09 PM »


Stephen,

No thanks needed brother, Give Thanks To GOD And Our Lord Jesus Christ Only, for HIS Mercy, on these clay pots, that HE IS Turning into Children Of GOD.

george. ;D

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Roy Coates

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Re: Divorce
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2009, 01:08:10 AM »

Your in my prayers southland, It is a tough thing to deal with. All aspects of it. Peace
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