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cjwood:

--- Quote from: EKnight on May 24, 2009, 01:01:50 PM ---Ray has cancer and is suffering.  God disciplines his sons whom he loves.  But what about Manuela?  Is this for her too?  What if Manuela was not a believer?  Would Rays suffering still be for her discipline or is this solely for Ray?  This, of course, is just an example of my main question in regard to cancer, who is God disciplining if anyone at all?

Eileen

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hi eileen,
since ray is responding back to emails to some extent now, i believe that your question would be best answered by ray himself. why don't you forward your specific question to him and let him respond. he is the one who is going through this suffering and he is available to answer you best from his very own personal and spiritual perspective

claudia

Kat:

Hi Eileen,

I believe that everyone that is touched by suffering is shaped by it to some degree.  As a person that is only a casual friend of someone that is suffering from an illness would not be nearly effected as someone close to them was, but effected to some degree. 

I think that God is working all these experiences that we are having now for believers and nonbelievers to their ultimate salvation.  For the Elect it is for their preparation to be in the first resurrection.  But even those that will go into the Lake of Fire, these prior life experiences have developed character that for good or bad will be used to bring their ultimate salvation. 

So everything that we or involved with (illness ourself or illness of a loved one), whatever we think, say or do is ultimately tested and judged by God's fire, now or later.

1Co 3:12  Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,
v. 13  each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is.
v. 14  If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.
v. 15  If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Ninny:
Wow, guys! I never even thought of these things before! Ray is teaching us even from his bed of affliction! I do feel so bad for his family, they are suffering, too. Nothing worse than standing by helplessly watching as a loved one suffers. Believing that God is holding it all, God is all and in all, even though we know these things life is hard at best when you live through this situation. It brings it right back down to those verses in 1Cor.3:12-15! Thanks Kat.
Kathy

Roy Martin:
I cant compare my sufferings to what Jesus went through, beat and cut until almost all of His blood had drained from His body, and then carried His cross of which He would be nailed to. His suffering was short lived but while going through it, it must have seemed like much longer. I don't know how long Jesus knew these things were going to happen to Him, but that had to be some mental suffering as well.
 His suffering was for us. What makes our suffering any different? I don't have cancer but some day I might and I will suffer, but it doesn't matter to me, it just gets me closer to a good sleep and departure from all suffering, and then Gods promise of purification and heaven.
  We like for our children to come to us and talk to us, to tell us whats going on in their life. It draws us close to them and them to us and gives us the chance to develop trust with each other. We want them to know they can and should trust us. Its all about communication and relationship. If they dont talk to us and we them, then the relationship becomes unstable.
  God knows exactly how to get us to talk to Him, and it doesn't matter what we talk to Him about because He lays it on our hearts what to say. The point is relationship and fellowship with our heavenly Father.
  Children most of the time cant understand the things we teach them until their grown with their own children.
  They ask but why this and that, and it goes on and on. We as parents know the story.
Suffering, praying, understanding, not understanding, wanting to do things our way. We are still children being raised by our Father.

Peace
Roy

EKnight:
Thanks for your replies everyone.  Each post has something I can use to better my understanding.

You are all so great. 

Eileen

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