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I'm sick...
24 Grams:
I know this thread will probably get removed...but I'm tired of this. I've read most of the information on this site. And I must admit I understand everything written hear, but I can't help but still question what's the point? I know God's plan and I've been posting on different forums teaching people of the truth (of course no one wanted to hear). I marvelled when I first came to realizing the truth (even though I've never really trusted the church or most people for that matter any way) but now this has all worn off and I'm back to normal again...very angry with life...not confused though, but STILL angry. I mean, what am I supposed to do? Wait around for God to "change" me? How long will this take? I mean, if God has shown me the truth surely I'm one of those called now? Trust me...I've been suffering all my life, from times when I was ignorant and didn't understand. And now that I know that it was God that was responsible for this, it makes me even more angry. So ok I've suffered but what have I actually learned from this? Not much...In fact it has made me worse of person...Seeing that I was kind previous to this. I've got nothing to live for...I don't need words of encouragement...really. I'm just bored of this and to be honest right now, I'd like to pretend I'd never read any of this and continue with my old thoughts. I know Chritsians are idiots, but I know plenty of people who believe in God but do not follow the stupid teachings of Christianity.... There is no Hell....men are evil and stupid....God wants children......and? So? In fact I think this is an American thing. No offence but you folks are a little crazy....People in England actually do think a bit more about this lunacy. I think this world is just a big game that God uses to torture people...Of course he doesn't do this physically but spiritually...Mentally....Is this any really different to the Chritian teaching? If God really is burning away the ungoldlyness in me why has He so far failed? Can He really change someone (namely Saul) in thirty seconds, why can't He change me? Every time I read this- be humble, overcome, take up your cross, God is working in you b***s**t it makes me very angry!! I don't want to be part of God's family...I don't want to be here, but God is forcing me!!! Who am I to answer to God? Some might say...But He did make me...So I might as well ask....After all this is my life He's playing with, right?
Ok, ramblings aside...Basically what I'm saying is that I have read and understand EVERYTHING written on this site...But it is void....I haven't changed....I don't feel special or anything actually....Christ hasn't given me "rest"....In fact I've been wasting my time learning all this stuff...Because I have other things to do.
Apparently evil is only "temporary" (and it will end? When exactly? When we get bored of it?). God "wills" for us even though we can't feel it (seems strange no? So all my failings...I'm a lousy cook, a bit stupid, are actually God's faults), we'll all be "resurrected" from the dead (but we must die first? Why? Because when we're dead we can't ask for compensation for this b***s**t?), we're only suffering because God is supposedly "chastising" us (but apparently some lucky folks get to live the good life now and get the SAME chastening later)....Why should I believe any of this nonsense....Because its written in Greek? Because it has a long tradition? Because someone says so? Showing kindness to people means you'll get walked all over...I don't hate anyone but do I really have to love them? Jesus only had male Disciples and constantly referred to men all the time "God wills all MEN to be saved" "we will become SONS of God" "you will be fisher of MEN" All the prophets were men ( I'm not one of those feminist types...after all I am a man)" Jesus the Son of MAN" ..........And finally I'm not sure which Gospel it is but when Jesus is being led away by the roman soldiers it mentions a man, who is not mentioned previously ANYWHERE in the other verses who is half naked apart from a thin peice of clothing. This person is identified in one of the apocrytal books and suggests...and ultimately leads to my final question. Doesn't Jesus appear a bit gay to some of you?
I mean I DO believe in a higher force, but I believe that either God doesn't notice our existence or God just doesn't care and is concerned with something else........Because I just don't buy this concept....
lilitalienboi16:
Well the term used to refer to "MAN" as in the "son of MAN" is actualy the same word used for Humanity. If i'm not mistaken.
I'm also sure, from what i remember, that their is a verse that mentions "DAUGHTERS" of God. So it's not only just SONS of God.
Also their was a female character of great importance in the bible, Perhaps even greater than the prophets, her name is Ester i believe. I could be mistaken though.
Can you link the verse also that refers to this "half naked man" that apparently appears in the text for no purpose or reason while Jesus being lead away.
I'd greatly appreciate that.
Theirs alot in your post to go through.. and im a bit lazy atm... oh who am i kiding, im always lazy but um.. ill try and see what i can dig up to respond to some of your posts.
I too hope this isn't removed because its a good time to search ourselves and to help others who have similar feelings.
God bless,
Alex
pinko:
Alex, he's talking about this passage in Mark, describing the taking of Jesus in the garden on the night of his passion...
Mar 14:46 And they laid their hands on him, and took him.
Mar 14:47 And one of them that stood by drew a sword, and smote a servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear.
Mar 14:48 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Are ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and [with] staves to take me?
Mar 14:49 I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and ye took me not: but the scriptures must be fulfilled. Mar 14:50 And they all forsook him, and fled.
Mar 14:51 And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about [his] naked [body]; and the young men laid hold on him:
Mar 14:52 And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.
I guess I can understand the poster's frustration, but his notion of Jesus' 'gayness' is just a childish tantrum on his part. Anyway, I'm sure that's the passage to which he refers...obviously he's been misled to its implications.
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: pinko on May 28, 2009, 12:24:04 AM ---Alex, he's talking about this passage in Mark, describing the taking of Jesus in the garden on the night of his passion...
Mar 14:46 And they laid their hands on him, and took him.
Mar 14:47 And one of them that stood by drew a sword, and smote a servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear.
Mar 14:48 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Are ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and [with] staves to take me?
Mar 14:49 I was daily with you in the temple teaching, and ye took me not: but the scriptures must be fulfilled. Mar 14:50 And they all forsook him, and fled.
Mar 14:51 And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about [his] naked [body]; and the young men laid hold on him:
Mar 14:52 And he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked.
I guess I can understand the poster's frustration, but his notion of Jesus' 'gayness' is just a childish tantrum on his part. Anyway, I'm sure that's the passage to which he refers...obviously he's been misled to its implications.
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Yea, when looking at this from a spiritual perspective. I can definatly see it has nothing to do with being gay.
For example, i can see it refering to;
This naked man, being the gentiles for example, actualy it could be anyone! Like you and me. Remember in revelations we are told we are naked and wretched? JUST LIKE THIS MAN! Jesus said that we would ALL forsake him. This just shows that even US, the GENTILES, or ANYONE this NAKED MAN [US] forsook Jesus.
Perhapst his leaving of the linen cloth symbolizes or represents our forsaking God. As ray said, we all have to leave our first love. Maybe it represents that in us?
The other young men laying hold on Him could represent the WORLD laying hold on us, because we are not of the world, everything that is carnal, aka the world, will try and grab us and pull us away from Christ!
I don't know.. im just brain storming :P
From a physical perspective though... this guy might have just been wondering in the garden eating some fruit, having a midnight stroll, maybe he was poor and couldn't afford good clothing and so was practicly naked. I Mean.. i know i like taking midnight strolls, not naked though :P But yea.. who knows.
I highly doubt this somehow reflects Jesus being gay... I for one don't see it being that at all!
God bless,
Alex
Robin:
These are verses that God used to rebuke me when I was grumbling in the desert and when every thought in my mind was screaming out in accusations against God. I learned that I was listening to the wrong voices and learned that any voice that accuses God is not of God. I also learned that all evil thoughts come from an evil heart.
Matthew 15:18-20
18But the things that come out of the mouth come from the heart, and these make a man 'unclean.' 19For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.
God taught me not to listen the accusations against him through an experience I had. I was the problem and I needed to repent. I wrestled in front of God with the sin that was within me and did not wrestle with God with accusations against his character. This was evil within me that I gave to God to deal with. I learned through suffering and hardship to submit to God's will in my life. I am still learning to submit. I am stubborn and willful.
Exodus 16
1 The whole Israelite community set out from Elim and came to the Desert of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after they had come out of Egypt. 2 In the desert the whole community grumbled against Moses and Aaron. 3 The Israelites said to them, "If only we had died by the LORD's hand in Egypt! There we sat around pots of meat and ate all the food we wanted, but you have brought us out into this desert to starve this entire assembly to death."
Numbers 14
1 That night all the people of the community raised their voices and wept aloud. 2 All the Israelites grumbled against Moses and Aaron, and the whole assembly said to them, "If only we had died in Egypt! Or in this desert! 3 Why is the LORD bringing us to this land only to let us fall by the sword? Our wives and children will be taken as plunder. Wouldn't it be better for us to go back to Egypt?" 4 And they said to each other, "We should choose a leader and go back to Egypt."
Hebrews 3
Jesus Greater Than Moses
1Therefore, holy brothers, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, the apostle and high priest whom we confess. 2He was faithful to the one who appointed him, just as Moses was faithful in all God's house. 3Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses, just as the builder of a house has greater honor than the house itself. 4For every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything. 5Moses was faithful as a servant in all God's house, testifying to what would be said in the future. 6But Christ is faithful as a son over God's house. And we are his house, if we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast.
Warning Against Unbelief
7So, as the Holy Spirit says:
"Today, if you hear his voice,
8do not harden your hearts
as you did in the rebellion,
during the time of testing in the desert,
9where your fathers tested and tried me
and for forty years saw what I did.
10That is why I was angry with that generation,
and I said, 'Their hearts are always going astray,
and they have not known my ways.'
11So I declared on oath in my anger,
'They shall never enter my rest.' "
12See to it, brothers, that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. 13But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called Today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness. 14We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first. 15As has just been said:
"Today, if you hear his voice,
do not harden your hearts
as you did in the rebellion."
16Who were they who heard and rebelled? Were they not all those Moses led out of Egypt? 17And with whom was he angry for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the desert? 18And to whom did God swear that they would never enter his rest if not to those who disobeyed? 19So we see that they were not able to enter, because of their unbelief.
Luke 9:61-62
61 Still another said, "I will follow you, Lord; but first let me go back and say good-by to my family."
62Jesus replied, "No one who puts his hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God."
Luke 9
23Then he said to them all: "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me. 24For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it. 25What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self?
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