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Marky Mark:
Hello 24 Grams. :)
Take a deep breath,Take a break from your studies of the Word,Go out and about to the business that needs attention,Refresh your mind and heart,Be aware of who and what you are, and then, believe what your heart really knows,God is working in you and here's the proof. ;)
--- Quote from: 24 Grams on March 31, 2009, 08:01:27 PM ---God is operating all...Because of this there is nothing to worry about...
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Peace...Mark
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Marky Mark on May 28, 2009, 09:33:50 AM ---Hello 24 Grams. :)
Take a deep breath,Take a break from your studies of the Word,Go out and about to the business that needs attention,Refresh your mind and heart,Be aware of who and what you are, and then, believe what your heart really knows,God is working in you and here's the proof. ;)
--- Quote from: 24 Grams on March 31, 2009, 08:01:27 PM ---God is operating all...Because of this there is nothing to worry about...
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Peace...Mark
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Gah.. what a beauitul post! I actualy felt joy, a deep sence of joy when i read this post.
Nelson:
Hi folks,
Ah the desert! Such a barren, dry, inhospitable place. What does the desert teach us? Well, 3 things for sure,
1) "...Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God" (Mt 4:4)
2) "...You shall not tempt the LORD your God" (Mt 4:7)
3) "...You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve" (Mt 4:10)
How much we want out of the desert and yet it is in the desert that the Lord intends to bless us,
* "Do not remember the former things, nor consider the things of old. Behold, I will do a new thing, now it shall spring forth; Shall you not know it? I will even make a road in the wilderness and rivers in the desert. The beast of the field will honor Me, the jackals and the ostriches, because I give waters in the wilderness and rivers in the desert, to give drink to My people, My chosen." (Isa 43:18-20)
* The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.
He makes me to lie down in green pastures;
He leads me beside the still waters.
He restores my soul;
He leads me in the paths of righteousness for His name's sake.
Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil;
For You are with me;
Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me.
You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies;
You anoint my head with oil;
My cup runs over.
Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life;
And I will dwell in the house of the LORD forever.
(Psalm 23)
* "Jesus answered and said to her, "If you knew the gift of God, and who it is who says to you, "Give Me a drink,' you would have asked Him, and He would have given you living water." (Jo 4:10)
* "For whatever things were written before were written for our learning, that we through the patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope. Now may the God of patience and comfort grant you to be like-minded toward one another, according to Christ Jesus" (Ro 15:4,5)
Do not trust your feelings, they will deceive and betray you. God is working in your spirit, not your flesh and it is through your weakness that He'll give you strength, in the darkness He will give light that you may see. It is not for us to decide how God should mold us,
* "But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, "Why have you made me like this?"" (Ro 9:20)
* "But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, that no flesh should glory in His presence" (1 Cor 1:27-29)
The ways of the Lord are so far above our ways that mostly we do not comprehend His working in us. He knows who we ARE and it takes faith and maturity to see oneself as God sees us, both who we are in the flesh and, more to the point, who we are IN CHRIST JESUS. Who we are in Christ is already a reality, but CHRIST IN YOU is a work in progress and shall be so for the rest of our lives.
Just rest in Him for now, speak openly and honestly with the Lord and wait on Him, and if it be His will He will reveal Himself to you according to His good pleasure. Stand still and see the salvation of the Lord.
Grace and peace to you
Nelson
Samson:
--- Quote from: 24 Grams on May 27, 2009, 08:23:03 PM --- I know this thread will probably get removed...but I'm tired of this. I've read most of the information on this site. And I must admit I understand everything written hear, but I can't help but still question what's the point? I know God's plan and I've been posting on different forums teaching people of the truth (of course no one wanted to hear). I marvelled when I first came to realizing the truth (even though I've never really trusted the church or most people for that matter any way) but now this has all worn off and I'm back to normal again...very angry with life...not confused though, but STILL angry. I mean, what am I supposed to do? Wait around for God to "change" me? How long will this take? I mean, if God has shown me the truth surely I'm one of those called now? Trust me...I've been suffering all my life, from times when I was ignorant and didn't understand. And now that I know that it was God that was responsible for this, it makes me even more angry. So ok I've suffered but what have I actually learned from this? Not much...In fact it has made me worse of person...Seeing that I was kind previous to this. I've got nothing to live for...I don't need words of encouragement...really. I'm just bored of this and to be honest right now, I'd like to pretend I'd never read any of this and continue with my old thoughts. I know Chritsians are idiots, but I know plenty of people who believe in God but do not follow the stupid teachings of Christianity.... There is no Hell....men are evil and stupid....God wants children......and? So? In fact I think this is an American thing. No offence but you folks are a little crazy....People in England actually do think a bit more about this lunacy. I think this world is just a big game that God uses to torture people...Of course he doesn't do this physically but spiritually...Mentally....Is this any really different to the Chritian teaching? If God really is burning away the ungoldlyness in me why has He so far failed? Can He really change someone (namely Saul) in thirty seconds, why can't He change me? Every time I read this- be humble, overcome, take up your cross, God is working in you b***s**t it makes me very angry!! I don't want to be part of God's family...I don't want to be here, but God is forcing me!!! Who am I to answer to God? Some might say...But He did make me...So I might as well ask....After all this is my life He's playing with, right?
Ok, ramblings aside...Basically what I'm saying is that I have read and understand EVERYTHING written on this site...But it is void....I haven't changed....I don't feel special or anything actually....Christ hasn't given me "rest"....In fact I've been wasting my time learning all this stuff...Because I have other things to do.
Apparently evil is only "temporary" (and it will end? When exactly? When we get bored of it?). God "wills" for us even though we can't feel it (seems strange no? So all my failings...I'm a lousy cook, a bit stupid, are actually God's faults), we'll all be "resurrected" from the dead (but we must die first? Why? Because when we're dead we can't ask for compensation for this b***s**t?), we're only suffering because God is supposedly "chastising" us (but apparently some lucky folks get to live the good life now and get the SAME chastening later)....Why should I believe any of this nonsense....Because its written in Greek? Because it has a long tradition? Because someone says so? Showing kindness to people means you'll get walked all over...I don't hate anyone but do I really have to love them? Jesus only had male Disciples and constantly referred to men all the time "God wills all MEN to be saved" "we will become SONS of God" "you will be fisher of MEN" All the prophets were men ( I'm not one of those feminist types...after all I am a man)" Jesus the Son of MAN" ..........And finally I'm not sure which Gospel it is but when Jesus is being led away by the roman soldiers it mentions a man, who is not mentioned previously ANYWHERE in the other verses who is half naked apart from a thin peice of clothing. This person is identified in one of the apocrytal books and suggests...and ultimately leads to my final question. Doesn't Jesus appear a bit gay to some of you?
I mean I DO believe in a higher force, but I believe that either God doesn't notice our existence or God just doesn't care and is concerned with something else........Because I just don't buy this concept....
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Hi 24 Grams,
I hope this thread doesn't get removed, because you are sharing your inner thoughts and being
downright honest. Is it possible you suffer from depression, I don't mean this in a offensive or disrespectfull way.
The reason I mention this is because, to some degree, you sound like me, I've suffered from Depression most of
my life, not the major kind, otherwise I wouldn't be able to work and function.
I can understand and sympathize with the feeling of " Whats the point," sometimes life seems hopeless. Just a
suggestion and that's all it is, Try to find something Spiritual about what you've learned and experienced, then
focus on that, it might help you to feel better, even if momentarily. As an example: I experience great joy when
the opportunity arises for sharing things I've learned, initially, keep it short and simple. Just the other day I met
someone I vaguely knew and was able to tell him about the eventual Salvation of All. He gave me his Email address
and said I can send some of Ray's material and the Website. Nothing may come of this, but I think there's a good
possibility, because in the past he's been fed alot of JW Watchtower information and probably realized he would
never measure up to their expectations in " gaining Salvation", so at the very least, I planted a seed, only God will
make it grow, when he's ready. However, it gave me great joy, the odds of bumping into this guy at a Jiffy Lube
and remembering him were not very good. I'm convinced it was part of God's plan.
Kind Regards, Samson.
daywalker:
Alright, 24 Grams, it's obvious you're 'asking for it', so I'm gonna tell it to ya like it is, no 'sugar-coating':
You say: "I've read most of the information on this site. And I must admit I understand everything written hear,..."
and also: "Basically what I'm saying is that I have read and understand EVERYTHING written on this site"
Judging by your post, one thing is for sure, Grams, YOU DON'T 'UNDERSTAND'! NO, YOU DON'T! Sure, you may get the 'logical' part of concepts like: There's no Hell. Humans don't have Free Will. God is Sovereign over all. BUT YOU DON'T 'GET IT' SPIRITUALLY!
What? You think you're the only one that's had a rough life, Grams? You think no one else suffers as you do? YOU THINK NONE OF US HERE HAVE SINS AND CARNAL ISSUES THAT FRUSTRATE AND CONFUSE US? YOU THINK YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE?
Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind [ that's the 'soulish--natural' mind of all humanity] is enmity [deep-seeded hatred] against God [Sound a bit familiar?]: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Paul asked the Galatians an EXCELLENT QUESTION. Now, I ask you:
Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect [mature] by the flesh?
Do you really understand these verses, Grams? Do they make you ANGRY? Well, they should, because they WAR AGAINST YOUR CARNAL MIND. Your SOUL is AT WAR with God's SPIRIT. That's WHY you get ANGRY! And YOU ain't the first one nor will you be the last!
Now, I usually share God's Truths in a nicer more respectful way, but it's obvious 'being nice' won't due for you! You think you can leave comments here like "No offence but you folks are a little crazy..." and EXPECT NO ONE TO BARK BACK?
Nonsense! My same Teacher, who was very humble and meek, was also very BOLD when it came to dealing with people who DESPISE THE WORD OF GOD! AND YOU, GRAMS, DESPISE THE WORD OF GOD!!!
Among the many commandments we have like "love your enemies", we also have this one:
Luke 10:19 Lo! I have given you authority to be treading upon serpents and scorpions and over the entire power of the enemy, and nothing shall be injuring you under any circumstances."
Of course, I direct this commandment of "treading upon serpents and scorpions" not toward you, directly, but the EVIL SPIRIT that deceives you...
Mat 12:34 Progeny of vipers! How can you be speaking what is good, being wicked? For out of the superabundance of the heart the mouth is speaking.
Christ spoke well of you when He stated:
Mat 15:8 This people with their lips is honoring Me, Yet their heart is away at a distance from Me.
You claim to have been spreading the Truth in other forums. The Fact is that YOU WERE "HOLDING THE TRUTH IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS"! You have NO LOVE FOR THE TRUTH! YOU SHARE THE TRUTH THAT YOU "LEARNED" WITH OTHERS, NOT TO HELP THEM, BUT TO FEED YOUR CARNAL SELF-RIGHTEOUS HEART!
You say: what am I supposed to do? Wait around for God to "change" me?
What? You think all it takes is a simple "flip of a switch"? You think you can just wake up one morning and WHAM-BAM-BANG, YOU ARE NOW PERFECT? One thing is for SURE, with that kind of attitude YOU'LL BE WAITING FOR A LONG TIME!
You say: I know God's plan and I've been posting on different forums teaching people of the truth (of course no one wanted to hear). I marvelled when I first came to realizing the truth (even though I've never really trusted the church or most people for that matter any way) but now this has all worn off and I'm back to normal again...
Hmm... Where have I heard this before? ...
Mat 13:3 And He speaks many things to them in parables, saying, "Lo! out came the sower to be sowing.
Mat 13:4 And, in his sowing, some, indeed, falls beside the road, and the flying creatures came and devoured it.
Mat 13:5 Yet other falls on rocky places, where it had not much earth, and immediately it shoots up, because it has no depth of earth.
Mat 13:6 Yet at the rising of the sun, it is scorched, and, because it has no root, it is withered.
Mat 13:7 Yet other falls on thorns, and the thorns come up and smother it.
Mat 13:8 Yet other falls on ideal earth and gave fruit, some, indeed, a hundred, yet some sixty, yet some thirtyfold.
Mat 13:19 At everyone hearing the word of the kingdom and not understanding, coming is the wicked one and snatching what has been sown in his heart. This is he who is being sown beside the road.
Mat 13:20 Yet he who is being sown on the rocky places, this is he who is hearing the word and straightway with joy is getting it,
Mat 13:21 yet has no root in himself, but is temporary. Now at the coming of affliction or persecution because of the word, straightway he is snared.
Mat 13:22 Now he who is being sown in the thorns, this is he who is hearing the word, and the worry of this eon and the seduction of riches are stifling the word, and it is becoming unfruitful.
You say: In fact I've been wasting my time learning all this stuff...Because I have other things to do.
Well, then, LEAVE! It's obvious YOU HAVE LEARNED NOTHING!
You say: I know this thread will probably get removed...but I'm tired of this.
I SINCERELY HOPE IT DOESN'T! THIS CAN BE A GREAT LESSON AND BENEFIT FOR ALL OF US!
Romans 9:18 Consequently, then, to whom He will, He is merciful, yet whom He will, He is hardening."
WHICH SIDE DO YOU THINK YOU'RE ON, GRAMS?
OH, YOU DIDN'T ACTUALLY THINK THAT YOU WERE 'HARDENING' YOUR OWN HEART, BY YOUR OWN 'FREE WILL' DID YOU? Silly Goose! :o
II Corinthians 11:12 And what I do I WILL CONTINUE to do, in order TO UNDERMINE THE CLAIM OF THOSE who would like to claim that in their BOASTED mission they work on the same terms AS WE DO. [ESV]
May God show you the errs of your ways, IN HIS TIME, NOT YOURS,
Daywalker. 8)
--- Quote from: 24 Grams on May 27, 2009, 08:23:03 PM --- I know this thread will probably get removed...but I'm tired of this. I've read most of the information on this site. And I must admit I understand everything written hear, but I can't help but still question what's the point? I know God's plan and I've been posting on different forums teaching people of the truth (of course no one wanted to hear). I marvelled when I first came to realizing the truth (even though I've never really trusted the church or most people for that matter any way) but now this has all worn off and I'm back to normal again...very angry with life...not confused though, but STILL angry. I mean, what am I supposed to do? Wait around for God to "change" me? How long will this take? I mean, if God has shown me the truth surely I'm one of those called now? Trust me...I've been suffering all my life, from times when I was ignorant and didn't understand. And now that I know that it was God that was responsible for this, it makes me even more angry. So ok I've suffered but what have I actually learned from this? Not much...In fact it has made me worse of person...Seeing that I was kind previous to this. I've got nothing to live for...I don't need words of encouragement...really. I'm just bored of this and to be honest right now, I'd like to pretend I'd never read any of this and continue with my old thoughts. I know Chritsians are idiots, but I know plenty of people who believe in God but do not follow the stupid teachings of Christianity.... There is no Hell....men are evil and stupid....God wants children......and? So? In fact I think this is an American thing. No offence but you folks are a little crazy....People in England actually do think a bit more about this lunacy. I think this world is just a big game that God uses to torture people...Of course he doesn't do this physically but spiritually...Mentally....Is this any really different to the Chritian teaching? If God really is burning away the ungoldlyness in me why has He so far failed? Can He really change someone (namely Saul) in thirty seconds, why can't He change me? Every time I read this- be humble, overcome, take up your cross, God is working in you b***s**t it makes me very angry!! I don't want to be part of God's family...I don't want to be here, but God is forcing me!!! Who am I to answer to God? Some might say...But He did make me...So I might as well ask....After all this is my life He's playing with, right?
Ok, ramblings aside...Basically what I'm saying is that I have read and understand EVERYTHING written on this site...But it is void....I haven't changed....I don't feel special or anything actually....Christ hasn't given me "rest"....In fact I've been wasting my time learning all this stuff...Because I have other things to do.
Apparently evil is only "temporary" (and it will end? When exactly? When we get bored of it?). God "wills" for us even though we can't feel it (seems strange no? So all my failings...I'm a lousy cook, a bit stupid, are actually God's faults), we'll all be "resurrected" from the dead (but we must die first? Why? Because when we're dead we can't ask for compensation for this b***s**t?), we're only suffering because God is supposedly "chastising" us (but apparently some lucky folks get to live the good life now and get the SAME chastening later)....Why should I believe any of this nonsense....Because its written in Greek? Because it has a long tradition? Because someone says so? Showing kindness to people means you'll get walked all over...I don't hate anyone but do I really have to love them? Jesus only had male Disciples and constantly referred to men all the time "God wills all MEN to be saved" "we will become SONS of God" "you will be fisher of MEN" All the prophets were men ( I'm not one of those feminist types...after all I am a man)" Jesus the Son of MAN" ..........And finally I'm not sure which Gospel it is but when Jesus is being led away by the roman soldiers it mentions a man, who is not mentioned previously ANYWHERE in the other verses who is half naked apart from a thin peice of clothing. This person is identified in one of the apocrytal books and suggests...and ultimately leads to my final question. Doesn't Jesus appear a bit gay to some of you?
I mean I DO believe in a higher force, but I believe that either God doesn't notice our existence or God just doesn't care and is concerned with something else........Because I just don't buy this concept....
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