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bible man

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what laws are still kept
« on: May 31, 2009, 02:28:39 AM »

A better understanding of the laws that made it through grace check ***no teaching allowed*** this out
God bless!!
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aqrinc

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Re: what laws are still kept
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2009, 02:40:05 AM »

bible man,

Not one Jot or tittle has been abolished in The Law, The Scriptures do not contradict. The Covenant with humanity is what has been changed By GOD.

Mat 5: 17-19 (KJV)
17  Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18  For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19  Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

BTW:
The Scripture does not say; he shall be left out of The Kingdom of Heaven; It says, he shall be called least In The Kingdom of Heaven. :o

Reason for The New Covenant:

Heb 8: 7-13 (KJV)
7  For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8  For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9  Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10  For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11  And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12  For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13  In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

george. :)

Ps. I looked at the video, a good job of preaching, physical, hell, physical, but still blind guides, leading blinded people, until That Day.

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bible man

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Re: what laws are still kept
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2009, 09:54:11 AM »

i agree akr I was focusing on the teaching of the law we know all men will be saved !!
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cherokee

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Re: what laws are still kept
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2009, 10:03:07 AM »

Bible man,

Have you read Ray's Lake of Fire Series, 16. D3 Hell: The Sermon On The Mount is for You. It will answer the question, What laws are still kept. 

Here is the Link,  http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D3.htm

Here is a quote from that paper.
Paul taught:
"Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster" (Gal. 3:24-25).
The law was like elementary school, whereas living by faith in Christ is more like high school or college.
Is not elementary school necessary before high school? Most elementary students cannot do high school or college work. Do high school and college teachers contradict the math, grammar, and science that was learned in elementary school. No, of course not, and so neither does Jesus CONTRADICT the lessons of the Law of Moses which brought us to Him. We never contradict 2 + 2 = 4 when we get to high school, but we do move onto higher math and do not continue re-laying the foundation of these subjects already established back in elementary school.
We will now turn to the Sermon on the Mount and see if we are able to learn a little "new [spiritual] math."
Lets be clear on one thing before we enter this study. You will find the phrase, New Covenant, New Testament, and New Commandment in the Greek Scriptures, But you will not find the phrase "New LAW" anywhere. There are "new commandments" regarding that law, the but law is the same, as it is "spiritual" and therefore is not "temporal" (II Cor. 4:18).


Suzie
P.S. It also repeats what George posted.
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Kat

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Re: what laws are still kept
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2009, 10:54:09 AM »


Here is an excerpt from the article 'The Sermon On The Mount Is For You' concerning the law.

http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D3.htm --------------

Here it is, simply and profoundly: "A NEW commandment I give unto you, That you love one another [same as the Old Commandment, right? No, here is were the new "AS" part comes in...] ...That you love one another AS I HAVE LOVED YOU, that you also love one another" (John 13:34). Now that brings a whole lot more meaning to the "old" commandment which they had from the beginning. Loving "AS" Jesus loved, is a whole new ball game, as they say.

There was and is nothing wrong with the Law of Moses. God calls it "MY law."

The problem was never with the Law, but with the people:

"O that there were such an HEART in them, that they would fear Me, and keep all My commandments always..." (Deut. 5:29).

The problem was never with God's Law, but with the peoples' heart-they were carnal, and when one is carnal, he cannot keep a "spiritual" law:

"For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be" (Rom. 8:6-7).

And here is absolutely proof that there needed a change in the Covenant, not in the LAW OF THE COVENANT:

"For if that first covenant ['covenant,' not law] had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For FINDING FAULT WITH THEM, He said, Behold, the days come, says the Lord, when I will make a NEW COVENANT [not a New Law] with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah... For this is the covenant that I will make... I will put my LAWS [same old laws-but new covenant] into their MIND, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS..." (Heb. 8:7-9). 

There it is!

The New makes alive and ends in "eternal [eonian-immortal] LIFE."

"Who also has made us able ministers of the NEW Testament; not of the letter, but of the SPIRIT: for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives LIFE (II Cor. 3:6). 

This along with the blood sacrifice of Jesus IS the New Covenant; the Gospel; the Kingdom of God.

The Old letter of the law was glorious, but the newly applied Spirit of the law does "much more exceed in glory" (II Cor. 3:9). The Old Covenant law was how God's people were judged under Moses: the New Covenant law is how God's chosen Elect will be judged under Jesus.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat

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mharrell08

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Re: what laws are still kept
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2009, 11:11:47 AM »

what laws are still kept


Matt 22:36-40

36  Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37  Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38  This is the first and great commandment.

39  And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40  On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets.


Rom 8:1-5

1  There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2  For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3  For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4  That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5  For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.



Bible Man...please take some time to read Ray's teachings, in particular the portion of the Lake of Fire series that Kat pointed out.

I know you have an eagerness to learn, but your questions are very redundant seeing that Ray covers them in his teachings with scriptural witnesses. Trying to pick up a few notes here and there from older threads and portions of papers is not enough. You have to really put in the time to study with your bible and Ray's teachings...you'll find most of your questions have been answered many times over.

Please don't think this is an attempt to have you stop asking questions...but only keeping with the forum's objective: to fellowship about Ray's teachings, not to decide if we agree or try to learn on the spot.


Thanks,

Marques
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