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Dave in Tenn:
Let me go another step. The Transfiguration also happens today in the Spirit! It happens to US as we are in Him, being changed.
It happens in us as observers/participants in identification with Peter, James, and John (the few) watching the law and the prophets (Moses and Elijah) fade, leaving Christ alone.
It also is a picture of what WE see in Christ as He is glorified in Scripture and we come to know Him more and more as He IS. Brothers, it doth not yet appear what we shall be, but we KNOW that when He appears, we shall be like Him...for we shall see Him as He IS.
Coming to Truth has been in the largest part a 're-seeing' of Christ. He is the Saviour of all Sinners, willing and able to do His Will--NOT the half-monster, dithering 'image' of God being preached by the churches. HE doesn't change...WE change, and the way we see Him changes. That's exactly what happened to Peter, James, and John. That's what is happening to US.
So yes, the scripture is many-layered when those Spiritual eyes are working.
Absolutely the focus cannot be on us. Not our feelings, not our religion, not our current understanding.
Don't tell this to anyone until after He is resurrected. ;D
hillsbororiver:
Excellent addition Dave!
Beautiful and awesome points Brother!
Peace,
Joe
aqrinc:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on June 14, 2009, 01:34:16 PM ---Let me go another step. The Transfiguration also happens today in the Spirit! It happens to US as we are in Him, being changed.
It happens in us as observers/participants in identification with Peter, James, and John (the few) watching the law and the prophets (Moses and Elijah) fade, leaving Christ alone.
It also is a picture of what WE see in Christ as He is glorified in Scripture and we come to know Him more and more as He IS. Brothers, it doth not yet appear what we shall be, but we KNOW that when He appears, we shall be like Him...for we shall see Him as He IS.
Coming to Truth has been in the largest part a 're-seeing' of Christ. He is the Saviour of all Sinners, willing and able to do His Will--NOT the half-monster, dithering 'image' of God being preached by the churches. HE doesn't change...WE change, and the way we see Him changes. That's exactly what happened to Peter, James, and John. That's what is happening to US.
So yes, the scripture is many-layered when those Spiritual eyes are working.
Absolutely the focus cannot be on us. Not our feelings, not our religion, not our current understanding.
Don't tell this to anyone until after He is resurrected. ;D
--- End quote ---
Dave,
I could have used your admonition last night. I had a very fair encounter, 4 Bible and trinity Believing christians vs george. I was told many ways and times to repent of my ways and follow them. Below are a few samples of a 3 hour twitter discussion with the 4.
All remarks below are from one or other of the 4.
You can see my side of the conversation on my twitter page under updates http://twitter.com/George_Tr .
1. hisfriendlyway@George_Tr I would say to you, receive Christ and his spirit. Become a fool, for ur wisdom pollutes ur understanding. Love God w/ everything
2. hisfriendlyway@George_Tr The words I speak are spirit and they are true. But you pious spirit of the world is easily offended, b/c u do not know him.
3. hisfriendlyway@George_Tr You speak but say nothing. There is no spirit, no life in ur words. You strain at gnat n swallow a camel. The Spirit gives life.
4. hisfriendlyway@George_Tr You twist what you cannot untangle. You speak of age we speak words of spirit and truth. See if your faith can save u on that day
5. kat24k@George_Tr but it seems to me thats what you are doing trying to convince that everyone will be saved. thats not biblical.
6. kat24k@George_Tr because your are taking the verses out of context. i can pick all kinds of verses out and make sound however i want it to.
7. kat24k@George_Tr im sorry but single verse picking to me is a distorion of the whole word of god rightly divided.
8. therealgodFORGIVEN | RT: @George_Tr Denial of a clear Biblical doctrine like the trinity puts you in the cat..
9. witnesses@George_Tr Denial of a clear Biblical doctrine like the trinity puts you in the category of cult. Read the resources I provided & repent.
10. witnesses@George_Tr The URL you posted is full of heresy. First and foremost you need to study the Biblical doctrine of the Trinity.
The url i posted is: http://bibletruths.com/
george. :o ::) :'(.
Beloved:
Since people will not take the time to study and read the doctrine they say they believe in ......why would they read the material at BT .com
Planting seed with twitter....seems a lot like ploughing a field with a tooth pick.
Only those that God has prepared will recieve. In most case asking questions are better than giving answers.
Is trinity in the bible...okay that is too open....how about
Who and where did that word trinity come actually come from?
Were the first century believers then heretics since this did doctrine not exist then ?
Do the Scriptures lie ?....Or can you reconcile these pairs of Scriptures?.
(Mat 1:20) But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife; for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
(Luk 1:35) And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
and
Rom 15:6 That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ
2Co 1:3 Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;
Since Jesus is the Son of God then how can can the Holy Spirit conceive if the Father is said to be His Father and everywhere in Scirpture He acknowleges Him as His Father?
Now here are two verses that are way too advanced for your twitter friends
Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Joh 20:22 And when He had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
He is there and they are getting the holy Spirit
They seem contradictory (only to a trinitarian) ...but they are not
beloved
Kat:
--- Quote ---2Ki 2:9 And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me.
2Ki 2:10 And he said, Thou hast asked a hard thing: nevertheless, if thou see me when I am taken from thee, it shall be so unto thee; but if not, it shall not be so.
Contemplating on this one might say that those chosen who were born after the disciples may have been given a "double portion" of faith (Spirit) to believe the things the disciples who walked with Him as He was on this earth saw with their own two eyes and felt with their own hands.
Is it possible there is a better promise for (a more profound faith through His Spirit) for a few of those who came after the apostles?
--- End quote ---
Hi Joe, I would say a prime example of this would be Paul. We just do not know about those down through the generations that may also have needed and was given an extra portion of spirit to endure whatever they may have been going through either. Just saw your comment and was thinking Paul surely fit that "double portion."
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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