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hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: G. Driggs on June 13, 2009, 11:10:43 AM ---Wow! Now that is something to contemplate, sounds good to me Joe.
You have heard it been said that, " seeing is believing" but it seems the Truth is "believing IS seeing".
A double portion? Can I get a triple? Lord knows I need it.
1Pe 1:8 Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:
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Hi G,
I like what you said about "believing is seeing" yes, that is the truth!
We all are familiar with the principle in scriptures of the "many called, few are chosen." There is another consistent theme as well, "the first shall be last and the last shall be first." We see this throughout His Word where a better inheritance is given to the younger rather than the elder. Who was the elder when Elisha walked with Elijah?
Could one of the type/shadows contained within these verses in 2Kings represent the OT prophets not getting the better promise? That those who came after John the Baptist received an inheritance that was not available to those who preceded Christ?
Is it possible there is a better promise for (a more profound faith through His Spirit) for a few of those who came after the apostles?
We see in John 20 that Christ Himself blessed those who would believe without seeing, it is food for thought and careful consideration when our Lord pronounces a special blessing..... isn't it? ;)
Peace,
Joe
hillsbororiver:
Before anyone starts thinking "oh, there he goes again, off on one of his tangents," I want to ask what has been the ultimate hope of believers for the last 2000 years? You could say "to be alive at His return." Right?
Every generation since Christ ascended has had this hope but yet none have had this hope realized, obviously they who are the latest, the youngest (last as in "last shall be first") of all the believers who ever lived are the ones who will see Him without tasting death. Quite a promise!
Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Luk 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Peace,
Joe
P.S. The root or original Greek for "standing" used in Matthew 28 & Luke 9 can be used in a figurative sense.
G2476
ἵστημι
histēmi
his'-tay-mee
A prolonged form of a primary word στάω staō (of the same meaning, and used for it in certain tenses); to stand (transitively or intransitively), used in various applications (literally or figuratively): - abide, appoint, bring, continue, covenant, establish, hold up, lay, present, set (up), stanch, stand (by, forth, still, up). Compare G5087.
firefly77:
--- Quote ---I believe that Father God will always raise someone up that is paying the price to have the knowledge of the Truth and walk in the Truth to teach others in each generation. They guard the Truth in Love that it would not be corrupted by any man-made traditions.
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Bunni: You are right... The story of Elijah is an example of this.
1 Kings 19:14 He replied, "I have been very zealous for the LORD God Almighty. The Israelites have rejected your covenant, broken down your altars, and put your prophets to death with the sword. I am the only one left, and now they are trying to kill me too."
15 The LORD said to him, "Go back the way you came, and go to the Desert of Damascus. When you get there, anoint Hazael king over Aram. 16 Also, anoint Jehu son of Nimshi king over Israel, and anoint Elisha son of Shaphat from Abel Meholah to succeed you as prophet. 17 Jehu will put to death any who escape the sword of Hazael, and Elisha will put to death any who escape the sword of Jehu. 18 Yet I reserve seven thousand in Israel—all whose knees have not bowed down to Baal and all whose mouths have not kissed him."
Yes, Thank God, He is control! ;D
aqrinc:
--- Quote ---We are a peculiar people.. not of the world or Christendom. We do walk by faith (not our own faith - a gift from God) and led by the spirit to be sons and daughters of God by the grace (chastening) of Daddy God. It is a hard thing.. but with God all things are possible.
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Bunni,
Thank you for putting those words together, we need to always see this picture even when the flames are 7 times hotter than normal. Here below is an example of just such Trust when the chastening is really life threateningly dire. HE, GOD WILL Bring us through the fire without a hair singed or even the smell of fire on us.
Dan 3: 10-30 (ASV)
10 Thou, O king, hast made a decree, that every man that shall hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of music, shall fall down and worship the golden image;
11 and whoso falleth not down and worshippeth, shall be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace.
12 There are certain Jews whom thou hast appointed over the affairs of the province of Babylon: Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego; these men, O king, have not regarded thee: they serve not thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
13 Then Nebuchadnezzar in his rage and fury commanded to bring Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego. Then they brought these men before the king.
14 Nebuchadnezzar answered and said unto them, Is it of purpose, O Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, that ye serve not my god, nor worship the golden image which I have set up?
15 Now if ye be ready that at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and dulcimer, and all kinds of music, ye fall down and worship the image which I have made, well: but if ye worship not, ye shall be cast the same hour into the midst of a burning fiery furnace; and who is that god that shall deliver you out of my hands?
16 Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we have no need to answer thee in this matter.
17 If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace; and he will deliver us out of thy hand, O king.
18 But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.
19 Then was Nebuchadnezzar full of fury, and the form of his visage was changed against Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego: therefore he spake, and commanded that they should heat the furnace seven times more than it was wont to be heated.
20 And he commanded certain mighty men that were in his army to bind Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, and to cast them into the burning fiery furnace.
21 Then these men were bound in their hosen, their tunics, and their mantles, and their other garments, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.
22 Therefore because the king's commandment was urgent, and the furnace exceeding hot, the flame of the fire slew those men that took up Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego.
23 And these three men, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, fell down bound into the midst of the burning fiery furnace.
24 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonished, and rose up in haste: he spake and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.
25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the aspect of the fourth is like a son of the gods.
26 Then Nebuchadnezzar came near to the mouth of the burning fiery furnace: he spake and said, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, ye servants of the Most High God, come forth, and come hither. Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego came forth out of the midst of the fire.
27 And the satraps, the deputies, and the governors, and the king's counsellors, being gathered together, saw these men, that the fire had no power upon their bodies, nor was the hair of their head singed, neither were their hosen changed, nor had the smell of fire passed on them.
28 Nebuchadnezzar spake and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, who hath sent his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and have yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.
29 Therefore I make a decree, that every people, nation, and language, which speak anything amiss against the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego, shall be cut in pieces, and their houses shall be made a dunghill; because there is no other god that is able to deliver after this sort.
30 Then the king promoted Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-nego in the province of Babylon.
george. :)
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on June 13, 2009, 03:15:47 PM ---Before anyone starts thinking "oh, there he goes again, off on one of his tangents," I want to ask what has been the ultimate hope of believers for the last 2000 years? You could say "to be alive at His return." Right?
Every generation since Christ ascended has had this hope but yet none have had this hope realized, obviously they who are the latest, the youngest (last as in "last shall be first") of all the believers who ever lived are the ones who will see Him without tasting death. Quite a promise!
Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Luk 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Peace,
Joe
P.S. The root or original Greek for "standing" used in Matthew 28 & Luke 9 can be used in a figurative sense.
G2476
ἵστημι
histēmi
his'-tay-mee
A prolonged form of a primary word στάω staō (of the same meaning, and used for it in certain tenses); to stand (transitively or intransitively), used in various applications (literally or figuratively): - abide, appoint, bring, continue, covenant, establish, hold up, lay, present, set (up), stanch, stand (by, forth, still, up). Compare G5087.
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Great post Joe...here's a few more
1 Cor 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
Matt 16:17-18 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell [Gk. Hades (also known as Sheol, grave, state of the dead)] shall NOT prevail against it.
Whoops, just noticed you had same Corinthians verse :)
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