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Love of truth?
Amrhrasach:
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Rom 7:13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
Rom 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Rom 7:17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Just a point of observation, more or less. Actually I’m not sure to be honest. Something has been on my mind of late and these verses are compelling toward that end. Point: I am a sinner. I hate it. I sin too much. I hate that as well. As much as I try not to sin it surely does best me. Not always but what little successes may be enjoyed they are shallow indeed. But in my non-trustworthy opinion the sin which I do is more sometimes than I wish to bear, or admit. But……BUT…..inwardly I feel/sense a love of/for the truth. And it delights me in the inner recesses of mind and heart that the love of truth is present. Is that possible? Looking at the above verses one would surely think so? Somehow, even though I live in the disgust of my carnal sinning self somewhere deep in me a light glows for the love of the truth and as small a flicker as it sometimes seems a happiness also remains in that light.
I admire loyalty. It’s a character trait I’ve always attempted to put forth with my friends and family and always wanted to receive in kind. Blood-letting loyalty if it must be so. (Not literally but just to show the magnitude). I like to give it and I like to receive it. Who doesn’t? But clearly I fail my Lord in this most treasured area. And that makes me extremely sad and it’s extremely disconcerting.
Am I making sense? Or have I fallen off the deep end? Delusional? Trickery?
How can one have a “love for truth”?......and yet fail so miserably?
Gary
aqrinc:
Gary,
Because it is Jesus Christ in us, NOT our beastly nature, that is Truth And The Lover Of GOD'S Truth.
Isa 53:6 (KJV)
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Mat 5:20 (KJV)
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Right here in Romans Ch:8 is your answer.
Rom 8: 1-27 (KJV)
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Rom 8:28 (CLV)
Now we are aware that God is working all together for the good of those who are loving God, who are called according to the purpose"
george ;D.
Ninny:
Thanks for this, guys. Can anyone NOT ask this same question, Gary? How can any of us love the truth and still fall prey to our sinful, ugly, inner beast?? If you've fallen off the deep end, buddy, I'm right there with you! Truthfully we are all a bunch of dirt bags! We've got to keep reading those verses in Romans 8! Thank you, George! Thank you, GOD that somewhere deep inside of us you are there! You are dragging us, drawing us, please, God don't stop picking us up and dusting us off!!
Kathy :'( :-*
lauriellen:
hey gary,
great topic! I don't think there is anyone who hasn't felt just like you do....
the verses that you gave are some of the ones that i have read over and over for years and really felt they applied to me ...... and the verses that george gave just give the perfect answer.....
it never ceases to amaze me the knowledge and truth available on this site....
example: i have been trying to re-learn how to pray according to God's will, and this morning was right in the middle of prayer, asking God to "save" my family......then the thought came into my mind "save them from what?"....so i said "excuse me a minute God".....and ran to my computer to this site and typed in "saved from what?" and right there in one of Rays emails was the answers i was looking for.......after reading a while, i continued my prayer feeling like i was praying according to God's will......
If we are sincerely seeking answers to God's truth, He will provide them and peace & comfort to go along with it........
love,
lauriellen
Marlene:
I am right in there with the rest of you. My Beast has been getting knocked down in size some this week.
I sure can see how Ray has given us so many articles that touch on what we really do need to have to run in this race. Its all the word of God. Its our Lord Jesus grace we need.
I know, I come up short all the time. Only, this time I have the Lord Jesus to pick me up when I fall. Like Kathy, I pray he just keeps picking me up and dusting me off.
I was at a loss for words last night when I started to pray. But, that was taken care of by the Spirit. The Spirit knows what was on my heart.
I got thinking about it last night, even if I would not be in the first resurrection God has blessed me with the fact, that I know now there is no Hell.
With God everyone comes out as a winner.
But, something inside of me just keeps me wanting to run in this race. That, something is him. So, i just keep praying that he keeps me in.
The best advice for us is to keep reading the articles on the website. Ray has touched on pretty much that is needed to aid us on almost any topic or question we might have. The forum members are great to share with us and we all learn from things they post.
In His Love,
Marlene
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