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Robin:
Hebrews 4:9-11 (New American Standard Bible)
9So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
10For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.
11Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.
I learned that the work in me was God's work and I learned to rest. When I first started learning I used to toss and turn in my sleep and was told I was talking in my sleep about rest. I was striving to rest. I had my eyes on the beast and couldn't stand living with it. I was also afraid because I knew I wasn't ok the way I was. The one thing that forced me into rest is when I saw just how huge the beast was and knew without a doubt that I had no power what so ever to do anything about it. I knew that God and only God could take care of it. I surrendered.
Matthew 19
25When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?"
26Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
I had a terrible childhood with domestic violence. I was the family scapegoat and hated by all. I was raped when I was 10 years old. This all left me with gaping holes that I desperately wanted to fill. I wasn't able to have a stable relationship. I was physically abused. My husband took his own life. I blocked out the memories of the rape and other abuse so I didn't even remember what it was to even try to work on it. All I knew is that I was full of sin and didn't have the will power to fix or stop any of it. God pulled me out of the church and I was beginning to see the lies I had been taught. All I knew was that there was no free will and I was the beast.
Proverbs 20:
27 The lamp of the LORD searches the spirit of a man ;
it searches out his inmost being.
I was full of pain and cried every day for at least 20 years. One day someone told me I should just stop crying. I told them I had tried everything and couldn't make the pain go away. In an instant God brought back a childhood memory and I felt like 2000 pounds of emotional pain had been healed instantly.
For the next 5 years God kept bringing all the hidden things to the surface. At the same time he was revealing the truth to me. Know the truth and the truth will set you free. It set me free from most of the dysfunctional behaviors and emotional pain. I must say it was quite terrifying reliving all those painful memories that I had blocked, but I was ok because I knew it was God doing it. He was working the truth into me and exposing the lies that held me captive to sin.
I still have PTSD from all the trauma, but I know that this too is being used by God as trials that mold me into the image of his son. The hardships I've gone through since then are incredible.
Romans 5:
2through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God. 3Not only so, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance; 4perseverance, character; and character, hope.
1 Peter 4
1Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because he who has suffered in his body is done with sin. 2As a result, he does not live the rest of his earthly life for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God.
Isaiah 30:18
Yet the LORD longs to be gracious to you; he rises to show you compassion. For the LORD is a God of justice. Blessed are all who wait for him!
aqrinc:
--- Quote ---Hebrews 4:9-11 (New American Standard Bible)
9So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
10For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.
11Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.
I learned that the work in me was God's work and I learned to rest. When I first started learning I used to toss and turn in my sleep and was told I was talking in my sleep about rest. I was striving to rest. I had my eyes on the beast and couldn't stand living with it. I was also afraid because I knew I wasn't ok the way I was. The one thing that forced me into rest is when I saw just how huge the beast was and knew without a doubt that I had no power what so ever to do anything about it. I knew that God and only God could take care of it. I surrendered.
--- End quote ---
Gary, Angie,
I will side with M.G, this is exactly where we need to be always. As Ray has taught, keep The Sabbath All day Every day (IN THE SPIRIT), and you will then rest from all the worrying about self and place.
This too is vanity, and a waste of the little time we have in this life. Hold fast to the things that you have been taught By The Holy Spirit and keep your eyes on our Lord And Saviour Jesus Christ, Who Is The Righteousness of us all.
HOW MANY DAYS DO WE ENTER INTO GOD’S REST
Excerpt from Keeping Sabbath: http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,6310.msg50887.html#msg50887
So people ask me about everything from circumcision to fasting, Passover, the Lord’s supper, baptism and all these things. They ask me a lot, ‘do you keep the Sabbath day.’ In other words do I stop working and stop doing everything on Friday night until Sat. night, don’t go anywhere, don’t do anything, just study and pray or whatever and go to church.
So they say, ‘do you keep the Sabbath?’ I say absolutely, everyday of the week. They don’t know what to make of that. I keep the Sabbath everyday of the week. How do I keep the Sabbath everyday of the week? Because I know what the Sabbath means. If you know what the Sabbath means, you can not possibly keep it on Saturday only, you can’t. If you know what it means and you do it on Saturday only, it’s proof that you don’t know what it means. And I’ll show you that. If you can’t keep the Sabbath on everyday, then you are not keeping the Sabbath in the spirit of truth at all.
Further you can’t do any of these things. We’ll go through these things, the Lord’s supper, communion, what the Catholics call mass and so on.
Now the Catholics do keep mass, at least the big churches have it everyday. But especially in the Protestant world, some keep it just once a year, not too many and some every six months, and some once a month.
I was a Methodist and we kept it four times a year. Why four times? Well they thought that was a good amount of times. Why, what was it based on? Nothing, just human reasoning.
Some keep it once a week on Sunday. Why do they do that? Because they don’t know what it means or not only would they keep it everyday, like the Catholics do, but they would keep it all day. Not just everyday, but all day everyday. Everything in this Bible if all it is, is physical ritual, then it’s of no value to you and you are just a religious person.
george. ;D
Beloved:
Gary I understand what you have written I myself have been raised in orphanages and foster homes and can attest to the problem of "loving and being loved" so you are talking to the choir here.
In the past when asked why I was not married I would say "I could never put all my egos into one *******".
For most part we humans are occupied with Eros or Phileo type of love. It is only when our ears are opened that we truly become aware of the Agape Love of God. His Love is magnified more and more as we gain knowledge of His Way. The revelation of His word is like chocolate to our soul. Reread Rays paper on Love because it explains that God both Agape and Phileo his sons and daughter.
We in ourselves are incapable of love except in a selfish way. Many think that human parental love is unconditionalte. But is it really always so?
Children are a means of passing on our genes, they are only means of physical immortality, therefore they prolonging our own line, They are a means fulfilling goals or achieving sucess in areas that we failed in. They can be a vicarious enrichment of our own lives .
I love the line in one movie that a mother makes to her daughter.....I love you but I do not like you. The parental child bond is strongest because it is the closest physically to SELF. It is a biological mirror.
You are right because those of us without parental bonds were never the recipents of this "particular form of self love" . You are very right that it is a learned behavior.
Children on the other hand are natural at loving, they lose it as their self gains more knowlege and power. That is why a child can still love their abusive parents when they are at a younger age. Young children have that perfect state of trust.
Because we are in the infant stage spiritually, my point of my post was that we need to focus more on the Christ in us..like George said..He is the Love of truth and only He can change us and help us regain that childlike trust. It is a constant battle because that "ugly old dead man" is always there in the flesh, using our desire and fear to lead us off course.
Today I prayed that God would help me see the Love of God in each of my patients, well I was not very sucessful because I could not keep my little brain focused. On the way home I repented and all I can do is keep trying and praying.
I am beginning to understand endurance a little better recenly I heard this analagy. It is like being blindfolded and all you can see are your feet. You are told the goal is to climb a mountain peak. He is there calling you. We cannot see where we are going but He can see us. All we can do is follow His voice. if we fall we get back up. We do not know where we are but he always does. He is able to We have to keep going because h will keep us from falling in ravines and we just have to trust Him to get us up there.
Beloved
firefly77:
This has been an amazing thread and I am sad and glad at the same time to know that we have many very painful experiences in common; we are not alone and are all in this together.
PTSD, domestic violence, sexual assault, emotional abuse... all of it helps us to be more compassionate and loving. Yes, God is the ONLY ONE who can heal those wounds... going back and revisiting some of those painful events in our lives is hard and heart wrenching. I feel for all of you because I have been there and am still there at times. If God doesn't do it, it cannot be done and coming to a place of rest and acceptance of His timing is very hard for some of us. I am one of the movers and shakers and like to see results. Naaaah, that's not how God is doing it in me. Sometimes I feel like I am choking when I see the sinister side of me and am so helpless to change it. I am broken about my sinfulness.
Thank you all for your transparency and honesty; it is so very much appreciated.
Angie
Amrhrasach:
--- Quote from: firefly77 on June 15, 2009, 08:06:33 PM ---This has been an amazing thread Angie
--- End quote ---
Indeed it has. So many personalities have been shown, so much heartache, so much overcoming, so much bravery of heart and emotional scars being shown as becoming healed. So much sharing.
More importantly so much loyalty TO Christ and even in that nothing boasted because that loyalty was in him first and with compassion provided to us. Yes that is AMAZING!.
No need to quote a scripture here as the scriptures already provided from many are needle on. Leadership. And I admire all of it.
For me personally one of the many things I've learned through Ray's teachings is that everyone deserves a measure of mercy and forgiveness as our Lord so does over and over. So even now with as much hatred as I've carried for many years against my birth parents I'm finding a corner of my own heart where forgiveness is growing.
Ray explained it perfectly and the Lord is working it in his perfect time. Amazing indeed.
~S~! all.
Gary
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