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crystal:
Hi Peggy

I might be jumping into deep water here, without any scuba gear as Kenny suggested,but here I go.

Luke 22:19
" This is My body which is given for you;"

Hebrews 10:5-7
5 Therefore, when He comes into the world, He says, "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU HAVE NOT DESIRED, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME; 6 IN WHOLE BURNT OFFERINGS AND SACRIFCES FOR SIN YOU HAVE NO PLEASURE, 7 THEN I SAID, 'BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL, OH GOD.' "

Hebrews 9:13
13 For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for cleansing of the flesh, 14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through His eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

My question would be what made Jesus Christ the perfect and acceptable sacrifice for the sins of the world in the eyes of God?
The purpose of the Son of God and Son of Man.

Is it not that He being the Son of God, essentially being One with the Father, the exact image and likeness of the Father in spirit, therefore being perfect in spirit --- being born of a women, born in the form (earthy tent, flesh and blood) of a man, having an experience of the flesh, learning obedience through suffering in the flesh, yet without sinning. Making Him the perfect and exceptable sacrifice for sinful humanity.

The exsperience of the flesh, yet without sin (perfect) which made a exceptable sacrifice unto God.

crystal:
Sorry Peggy I accidentally hit the post button instead of the preview button to check for mistakes. Hope theres not to many.  :)
I hope I've been helpful.

Your sister in Christ,  Crystal

ericsteven:
Hi all,

Perhaps this may add something to the discussion.

The Greek word translated ‘made perfect’ in the two Hebrew Scriptures is teleioō (G5048).

Here is Strong’s definition for that word:

      1) to make perfect, complete
         a) to carry through completely, to accomplish, finish, bring to an end

Here are a few other verses that use this same word teleioō to show how it can be understood.

John 4:34   Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish [teleioō, complete] his work.

John 17:4   I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished [teleioō, completed] the work which thou gavest me to do.

Acts 20:24   But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish [teleioō, complete] my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

In fact, here are more Greek words found throughout the New Testament that are related or used in a similar fashion.

G5046      teleios
G5047      teleiotēs
G5048      teleioō
G5049      teleiōs
G5050      teleiōsis
G5051      teleiōtēs
G5052      telesphoreō
G5053      teleutaō
G5054      teleutē
G5055      teleō
G5056      telos

If you look up all their definitions, none of them carry the implication of moral perfection.  They all have more to do with either something that is being finished or completed, whether it be someone’s life, purpose, works, etc…, or becoming spiritually whole or mature.

Jesus’ life was a process, much like ours is.  Sure He didn’t sin, but He did have to grow and learn how to be spiritually whole/mature just like the rest of us. 

Hebrews 5:8   Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

That process of learning obedience was completed in His death and resurrection.  He became the Saviour of the whole World.  He was completed.  He was completed for us, to show us what we must endure in order to be found worthy to be as He is at His return.  Yes, there is still work for Him to do in His second coming, but it’s not like many Christians believe -  that the work that the Father did in Jesus was not completed, resulting in Jesus becoming the Saviour of only a few men.  No, He has been completed; the salvation of all men is a done deal.  It is now only a matter of reconciling the creation with that which was already completed in Jesus’ death and resurrection to life.

Based on that, the verses from Hebrews you quoted could be translated as such:

Hebrews 2:10    For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation complete through sufferings.

Hebrews 5:9   And being completed, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Jesus was definitely perfect in that He was sinless from the beginning, but it was through His sufferings that He was made complete for us.

Hopefully that makes sense,

Eric

deftarchangel:
That makes perfect sense, Eric.    ;D

Thanks.

 :)

ez2u:
Eric   thanks that's what i was i was beginning to see to but wanted confirmation.  I knew he was sinless  but i was seeing a process thanks all   peggy

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