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first or second resurrection
lauriellen:
hello all,
please forgive my ignorance, but i have a question that has been nagging at me for a while. I have tried to find an answer to this question on this site, but can't seem to find one that quite fits exactly........i am hoping that someone can point me in the right direction........
i understand that those who have God's spirit at his second comming will be in the first resurrection, and those who lack God's spirit will be in the second....
right?....well, my question is.....
HOW MUCH OF GODS SPIRIT IS ACTUALLY NEEDED TO QUALIFY
FOR THE FIRST RESURRECTION?
i wonder about new christians that God is just beginning to work with, and they have had the "seed" planted, but have a long way to go in learning and understanding God's word, or those who have been at it maybe a little while, but still have more "sin" than "righteousness" in their lives, but are REALLY trying hard to do right.........and i also wonder about the younger teens and children that God seems to be calling, but they are years from having mature Godly understanding and charachter. If any of the people in these situations were to die, having a SMALL measure of spirit/Godly charachter/understanding,
which resurrection would they be in according to scripture?
I realize that my question is purely based in selfishness, having in mind loved ones who have passed, and hoping against hope, that they MAY be in the first resurrection, but probably not likely........My carnal/fleshly person finds it almost impossible to to think about not seeing my loved ones for "an age or ages".........
Maybe then i have found the answer here, but i just can not accept it???? Please help open my eyes.
thanks,
lauriellen
musicman:
Everything happens according to God's design. If someone dies before becoming spiritually mature then I would think that it was God's design that they will be in the second resurrection. And if you're chosen, you may judge them anyway.
Dave in Tenn:
Lauriellen, what I'd share with you is a side-thought.
The FIRST RESURRECTION is NOT an equivalent replacement for the orthodox doctrine of HEAVEN. The LOF Judgement/SECOND RESURRECTION is NOT an equivalent replacement for the orthodox doctrine of HELL. I think your current understanding is trying too hard to make these 'events' fall in line with orthodox teaching which you (and almost all of us) grew up with and believed.
It's very difficult to shed so much theological baggage/garbage but the joy in doing so is tremendous.
Keep reading and studying and always keep in mind that God is Love, that ALL sin and fall short of the glory of God, that Judgement is for a purpose, that NOBODY escapes judgement, and that the end of all this 'creating' is more than we can imagine.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: lauriellen on June 22, 2009, 08:32:20 AM ---My carnal/fleshly person finds it almost impossible to to think about not seeing my loved ones for "an age or ages".........
--- End quote ---
From 'Spurious Passages of the New Testament' (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,6638.0.html):
Rev. 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished*
* Omitted by the Sinaitic Manuscript. These not thus marked are omitted by both the Sinaitic and Vatican Manuscripts. The Epistles to Timothy, the latter part of Hebrews, and all of Revelation, are missing from the Vatican Manuscript, No. 1209, having been lost during the fifteen or more centuries since it was written. The Sinaitic Manuscript is perfect and complete and is the oldest known copy of the Scriptures, having been written (it is believed) in the year 331 A.D.
No one in the 1st resurrection will have to 'wait an age' to see those of the 2nd resurrection...there is no age or huge gap of time between the 1st and 2nd resurrections.
The entire purpose of the 1st resurrection is to 'bless all nations' [Deut. 28:1, Ps 72:11, Isa 26:9, Gal 3:8, etc]...Christ and His Elect will judge and bless all the nations, in righteousness. So the nations will have to be there...think of the 1st Resurrection as a 'purpose' instead of a 'status' or 'place in time'.
Though we know this judgment will be more severe than that on the Elect, remember the words of our Lord:
Matt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, MERCY, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Ps 89:14 Justice and judgment are the habitation of thy throne: mercy and truth shall go before thy face.
Isa 16:5 And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness.
Zech 7:9 Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Execute true judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother:
The Lord is not a hypocrite...He speaks to educate us on what we are to do, to be in His image...we cannot be in His image by doing anything that He Himself does not do. So we can see, that in judgment of the wicked (though wrathful & indignation) the Lord is STILL merciful.
His mercy endureth for the ages [Ps 136 - all verses]...there is no need to fear for our loved ones who died in their sins, unrepentant. They will receive mercy as that is who God IS.
Hope this helps,
Marques
lauriellen:
Marques,
so, are you saying that Rev. 20:5 should not be in our bibles? Because i always understood that the "rest" of the dead would not be resurrected until after the "1000 years were finished".......
and are you also saying that the second resurrection will be "shortly" after the first? during the millenial reign?
thanks,
lauri
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