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Matthew 7:21 "Many Shall Say to Me on That Day....
gmik:
Jennifer, relax a little.. its ok...we have all been thru this and you will come out fine! ;)
We make thousands of choices everyday- Jif or Skippy???.....but every choice we make was influenced by a thousand other things in your life that led you to standing in the aisle wondering about peanut butter. All those things that influenced you were caused by God....beginning w/ when you were to be born and to whom and how you were going to be you!
Does God really care if you choose Jif or Skippy? Probably not...but He caused every jot and tittle of your life and will continue to do so. You had to get in the car and drive to the store and had to use your arm to pick up the Jif and put it in the cart. Hee Hee and you had to pay for it. but ALL is of God!
Hope this helps a tad.
24 Grams:
Hi All.
Jennifer...If you are reading this.
Remember Jesus spoke words of Spirit...And Spirit is not literal... niether past or future...It is always on the PRESENT.
So all those quotes you posted are speaking of the NOW and ALWAYS. I'm not good with Hyperlinks. So if anybody knows the link containing th e-mail when Mr Smith writes to the Preterist...Futurist (or whatever) concerning wether the Testimony of Jesus Christ i.e. Revelation that would help too.
And regarding free-will. Yes we do not have free-will but this does not mean everyone does God's will it just means no one can go against His intention....His intention and His will are not the same thing....For example even Satan goes with God's intention.
Hope this Helps. If it is still necessary.
Ovi.
Marky Mark:
--- Quote ---So if anybody knows the link containing th e-mail when Mr Smith writes to the Preterist...Futurist (or whatever) concerning wether the Testimony of Jesus Christ i.e. Revelation that would help too.
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24 Grams,here is the email that you speak of.
Glad to see you back also. :)
http://bible-truths.com/email11.htm#preterist
Dear David:
Thank you for your email and comments about preterism.
I do comment from time to time on this theory, however, I have not ever handled it as a separate paper. I am at least a little familiar with the preterist and futurist approach to prophecy.
David, what if there is a third approach? The Scriptural approach? Would you be ready to consider that? I cover this principle in passing in Part X of my series on "The Lake of Fire."
Let me let the Scriptures shatter BOTH the preterist and futurist theory on prophecy fulfillment. I'll not attempt to harmonize all of the prophecies of Daniel, Joel, Zachariah, Matt. 24 and the the book of Revelation in one email. I have sixty more emails to answer. Hope you understand.
I think we can all agree that the Book of Revelation covers a larger assortment of prophetic world events than the rest of the prophets put together. The Book of Revelation is "the TESTIMONY OF JESUS CHRIST." (It is decidedly NOT the revelation of St. John the Divine). And just what is "the testimony" of Jesus Christ?
"...for the testimony of Jesus is THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY" (Rev. 19:10).
Now then, is this prophecy of Revelation futurist or preterist? IT IS NEITHER! The answer is so simple, but who will believe it? I will give you the answer (not a full explanation, JUST THE ANSWER -- for now anyway):
"The Revelation OF JESUS CHRIST, which God gave unto Him, to show unto his servants things which must SHORTLY [or QUICKLY, is this 'preterist'? -- see my Series on the Lake of Fire for an explanation of this statement] come to pass; and He sent and SIGNIFIED [symbolized] it by His angel unto His servant John: Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Blessed is HE THAT READS ['futurist'?], and THEY THAT HEAR [those in John's day? Or those during the middle ages? Or those in these latter days?] the words of this prophecy ['futurist'?], and KEEP those things which are written therein; FOR THE TIME IS AT HAND ['preterist'? I cover this phrase in my Lake of Fire series]."
"John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto YOU [just the seven literal, physical, churches in Asia during the first century? Remember that this 'testimony' of Jesus is SPIRITUAL, Rev. 19:10. "Hear what the SPIRIT says unto the churches, 2:7, 11, 17, etc.], and peace, from Him WHICH IS, and WHICH WAS, and WHICH IS TO COME..."!!! (Rev. 1:1-4).
There is your SCRIPTURAL ANSWER, David. Everything in the Book of Revelation (which is the testimony--the prophecy of Jesus Christ), leading up to the consummation of all things, differs not from Jesus Christ Himself which, "IS, WAS, AND WILL BE." See, Rev. 1:4,8; 11:17; 16:5, etc. Preterists deny the FUTURE: Futurists deny the PAST: BOTH deny THE NOW -- what presently "IS"!
Hope this helps your understanding a little better.
God be with you,
Ray
Peace...Mark
the goldfields:
Hi jsendog, don't be discouraged, you ask some good questions! :)
As Kat said... it does take time for these things to sink in and the Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth. (into the street which is called Straight)
God is the farmer and it is evident that He is cultivating you so that you can come to understand his ways.
It seems that God gives us a desire to study His Word so that we can develop discernment by becoming more and more familiar with what He says to be true.
Ray's writings are so helpful because he brings together so many verses of Scripture to bring out the truths that we are so hungry for!
And there are loving people here to help you find the answers you seek.
Philippians 4:6 For nothing, be anxious, but, in everything, by your prayer and supplication with thanksgiving, let, your petitions, be made known unto God;
7 And, the peace of God, which riseth above every mind, shall guard your hearts and your thoughts, in Christ Jesus.
Rocket999:
I emailed Ray about this a few years back:
After reading your paper God judges the world in a pond you claim that God is the lake of fire... which would mean we go straight to the lake of fire (God) on judgement day but I found a scripture that clearly contradicts it.
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' 23And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.
and I see how you like to bold/capitalize and underline scriptures to prove your points so I will do the same.
"And then I will declare to them DEPART FROM ME"
if we go straight to God in our judgement then why does he say flee from me, I never knew you. does this not make it obvious that if we don't know him by the time we die then we can not be with him in the after-life?
I'd really appreciate some understanding on this matter...
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Dear :
Jesus did not mean by "depart from Me" that they should go to outer space or go to hell or any such nonsense. He meant they had to depart from being IN HIS KINGDOM. In like manner, Jesus said to Peter: "Get thee behind Me Satan." Yet Peter didn't move to Jesus' back side or leave the area or go to hell or something. Jesus is speaking of spiritual position, not geographical location.
God be with you,
Ray
So basically imagine all of these "Christians" who had absolutely NO idea what it means to follow Christ (but they believe they have been) coming to Jesus on judgement day. They see that it is actually a fact after all that God was a loving father and Christ was his son but Jesus straight up rejects them (from reigning with him and the elect to judge the world to be more specific). They are confused why Jesus is reprimanding them like this and they go "WHAT!? Haven't I loved you so much? Haven't I casted away the devil in your name so many times? Have I not done many things in your name?" and Jesus looks at all of these fire and brimstone thumpers and just goes "Flee from me, you never knew me you evildoers!"
Does this mean that he will never allow them in his kingdom? No! It just means during the period after the first resurrection. These people still have much spiritual purification to endure before God will allow them to be considered "sons (or daughters" of God"
I don't know, that's how I imagine it. Hope this helps
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