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The Truth from the mouths of Babylonians
aqrinc:
--- Quote from: Astrapho on July 12, 2009, 11:47:44 AM ---That, is awesome. :D
I'm starting to think that all of us, at one point in time, knew the truth, deep down, somewhere... It's just that we keep getting christian theology shoved into our faces. x_x
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Scripture has given us no basis for that sort of thinking, quite the contrary in fact.
Christendom's Theology would have us believe that we knew all before (aka, Adam was perfect) (GOD cannot save everyone) and other such foolishness.
Truth was hidden from us, Truth is now being revealed to us, we cannot know anything but by The Faith And Grace Of GOD.
1Co 1: 18-21 (MKJV)
18 For the preaching of the cross is foolishness to those being lost, but to us being saved, it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and I will set aside the understanding of the perceiving ones."
20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the lawyer of this world? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world by wisdom did not know God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save those who believe.
And we can only believe when GOD Gives us Grace And Faith.
Eph 2: 8-10 (MKJV)
8 For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God,
9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them.
1Co 2: 7-9 (MKJV)
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, which God has hidden, predetermining it before the world for our glory;
8 which none of the rulers of this world knew (for if they had known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory).
9 But as it is written, "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard," nor has it entered into the heart of man, "the things which God has prepared for those who love Him."
george. :)
Astrapho:
Not quite what I was thinking, although that 1Cor2:9 suddenly pops a little more now. "I just feel so lucky, lucky lucky lucky!" :D And somehow i only just realized that this: "1Co 1: 18-21 18 For the preaching of the cross is foolishness to those being lost, but to us being saved, it is the power of God. " explains why the other christians even think, "If there is no hell, what is Jesus's sacrifice for?" :D
I was talking more about... You know, when I read the bible myself, some verses just don't really fit with the theology I was being fed. Such as the free will one, I began to think. If God had foreknowledge, how can there be any real free will? Then, there was the verse where God said that he willed all men to repent. I noticed it, but when I asked my Pentecostal Bible Study teacher, she kinda just told me "He wills it, but it's just a desire, that doesn't mean that all will repent" so I shoved it to the back to my head... Then when I was reading Ray's LoF series and all these little nitpicks start to surface and I'll get that "OH!" feeling, especially that I should NEVER have ignored the little nagging thoughts.
I was just talking to a christian on the web. When I told him the formal definition of free will, he said that, "No, we still get influenced by bad stuff, that's why we do bad things." "Well but having free will means that we can't get influenced to do anything." "What? No, of course not." "Well, that's what free will really is." ":O Aren't you just nitpicking?" "Go ask your pastor!" (Eventually I linked him to BT but he said it was even worse than atheism...)
I find it pretty weird and amazing at the same time... But now I realize more strongly that none of us would have even began to think of that without God (LOL that took long to click). ;D I feel so humbled.
daywalker:
--- Quote from: Astrapho on July 12, 2009, 11:47:44 AM ---That, is awesome. :D
I'm starting to think that all of us, at one point in time, knew the truth, deep down, somewhere... It's just that we keep getting christian theology shoved into our faces. x_x
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I do recall several occasions, back when I was in Babylon, that I was in deep, earnest prayer, talking with God, questioning this doctrine of eternal punishment. It didn't make sense to me, even after pastor's and Sunday school teachers and elders explained it to me over and over, I still questioned God whether this was truly necessary. I often asked if He'd consider an alternative solution; I even asked Him if there was something I could do, to 'change His mind'...
I imagine many Christians still stuck in Babylon have some of these similar thoughts and prayers. The fact that God would reveal the Truth to me, answer my prayers, and take all that worry and doubt and frustrations away from me regarding this evil doctrine... I feel so unworthy...
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