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hillsbororiver

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Re: Forum Blues
« Reply #60 on: July 31, 2009, 07:31:37 PM »


Dear joe,
i pray that there is a november bible conference this year for many, many reasons. one of which is i look forward to an opportunity to see you again and give you a big ole' brotherly/sisterly hug.
claudia


Hi Claudia,

I am very much looking forward to the Conference, and that "big ole hug."  :D

Do you there is a possibility that the following just might apply to folks like us?

1Co 1:27  But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

1Co 1:28  And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

Speaking for myself I can't make any claim on the chosen part but I sure can identify with  the rest of it! (foolish, base & weak, and have been despised more than once as well)

Peace to you Sister,

Joe 
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hillsbororiver

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Re: Forum Blues
« Reply #61 on: July 31, 2009, 07:47:07 PM »

Two thumbs up to all. Kat and Joe what a bonus you guys are. Forum family, what would I do with out you. God bless all of you with mercy, grace and peace. Roy

The feeling is mutual Brother Roy, I thank God for my Brothers and Sisters here constantly.

Peace,

Joe
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hillsbororiver

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Re: Forum Blues
« Reply #62 on: July 31, 2009, 08:29:45 PM »

Anyway, to make a short story long, I used to post my opinions,quote scriptures, discuss and offer advice to friends and family, pray with my kids and was proud to be enlightened, until one day I realized that I wasn't nearly as "enlightened" as I thought I was. 

Man I can identify with that.  When I was in the babalonian system I fancied myself a teacher.  I had all the sects doctrines down (AOG) and could argue scripture and 'win' debates with the best of them.  But I didn't know as much as what I thought I did and Ray's teachings harmonized the scriptures and blew me out of the water.  It seemed at the time that so many scriptures were in contradiction to others...and I knew that couldn't be the case.  Being yet carnal (and still way to carnal btw) I couldn't perceive the spiritual.  I am more than satisfied now with pretty much keeping my mouth shut and learning the lessons God has for me to learn.  It's all in his timing anyway and what both a revelation and relief that really is in the long run.

Hi Arion,

My wife and I still can get a laugh from the first night I stumbled onto Bible Truths and Ray's articles.

I have an office on the second floor of our house where I have my library, computer, etc. My wife has her own office directly below mine on the first floor, well after I started reading about the "no hell" and some of the other stuff she would hear me shouting Wow! Fantastic! Awesome!

She was busy doing her own work but would shout up every now and then asking "is everything ok?" Yeah, yeah, just found a very cool site.

I must have jumped up and yelled once too often because she eventually ran upstairs at about 11 P.M (I normally go to bed about 10, she stays up later) demanding to see what was engrossing me and inspiring me to these excited outbursts. I could see by the look on her face that her initial thoughts as to the source of my joy was not exactly honorable. She butted her head in front of mine glaring at the monitor, saw Bible Truths at the top of the page and meekly said; "Oh."

I asked her what her problem was and she said; "I thought you might be looking at porn."  :o

In a sense, in the mind's eye of a traditional Southern Baptist (which my wife was at that time) Ray's articles could very well be perceived as "religious pornography" but I could see her relief that my screen was not filled with images of naked people thrashing about!  ;D

It was ironic that after years of her hassling me about attending church with her I actually had started going just to make her happy two weeks prior to that unforgettable night. The following Sunday I went with her but the preacher started a 3 part sermon entitled "The Two Compartments Of Hell" even the title of this inspired an audible groan from me, which earned me a rather sharp elbow into my rib cage. He talked about this 2 Hells theory, even admitting there was little to no scripture backing it up but just the same he knew it to be true.  ::)

It was at that point I told her either I leave now or I am going to challenge this nonsense, knowing me as well as she does she knew this was not an idle threat so at that point we walked out of the church with me muttering and her elbow drilling my side.

Once we were outside I got one heck of a glare along with the words; "It took me years to get you to attend church with me and only a few days for that stupid Bible Truths to pull you right back out!  ;D

Amen!

Peace,

Joe   
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firefly77

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Re: Forum Blues
« Reply #63 on: August 01, 2009, 11:25:57 AM »

Joe,
Just a little compliment on your writing style. I always enjoy reading any of your comments; they are sprinkled with honesty, transparency, truth, patience, and humor. Thank you! You are truly an inspiration to me.

Angie
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CEO

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Re: Forum Blues
« Reply #64 on: August 01, 2009, 01:16:15 PM »

Hi Joe

A couple of years ago I noticed the turnover here on the forum.  It kind of shocked me, How can one leave the mountaintop?  Did they leave for something better, and if they did why didn't they tell us?  Now it just does not bother me, mainly because I know God is sovereign.  The secondary reason is Paul describing 'all the churches in asia have deserted me.'  Even after knowing the truth, the true truth, believers have been leaving the word for thousnads of years.  I don't get it. And that is fine.

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meee

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Re: Forum Blues
« Reply #65 on: August 01, 2009, 01:34:56 PM »

Hi Joe

A couple of years ago I noticed the turnover here on the forum.  It kind of shocked me, How can one leave the mountaintop?  Did they leave for something better, and if they did why didn't they tell us?  Now it just does not bother me, mainly because I know God is sovereign.  The secondary reason is Paul describing 'all the churches in asia have deserted me.'  Even after knowing the truth, the true truth, believers have been leaving the word for thousnads of years.  I don't get it. And that is fine.

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Charles

              Maybe though,they aren't leaving the Truth.  If they had their feelings hurt or if they were shot down when they posted, that might cause them to not partake of  the unlove  that was shown them. Just a thought.
      hugs,meee
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hillsbororiver

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Re: Forum Blues
« Reply #66 on: August 01, 2009, 07:32:57 PM »

Hi Joe

A couple of years ago I noticed the turnover here on the forum.  It kind of shocked me, How can one leave the mountaintop?  Did they leave for something better, and if they did why didn't they tell us?  Now it just does not bother me, mainly because I know God is sovereign.  The secondary reason is Paul describing 'all the churches in asia have deserted me.'  Even after knowing the truth, the true truth, believers have been leaving the word for thousnads of years.  I don't get it. And that is fine.

Askseeknock
Charles



              Maybe though,they aren't leaving the Truth.  If they had their feelings hurt or if they were shot down when they posted, that might cause them to not partake of  the unlove  that was shown them. Just a thought.
      hugs,meee

Hi Charles,

This is one of the reasons I started this topic, I am sure there are more than a few who have wondered why people who seemed to have found fellowship and comfort even some spiritual nourishment here suddenly disappear, it was also meant to speak to those who may have left but still check in as a "guest" from time to time.

In my very first post in this thread I mentioned or should I say speculated on some of the reasons they may have left, I felt pretty sure that some of them experienced the same feelings I myself have had periodically. As Ray has said repeatedly being a member here or even a reader of Bible Truths has no direct determination on one's salvation, their elect status or whether they are chosen or not, if God has chosen you He will provide the path that leads you to the first resurrection or better yet to the "change" without tasting death.

Perhaps these folks who have moved on were placed here for the specific purpose of teaching us patience, empathy, longsuffering, godliness, brotherly love, etc. Shouldn't we continue to pray for their spiritual growth and peace as we pray for our own selves, families and friends?

His Peace to you Brother Charles,

Joe



Hi meee! (I say that every morning when I wake up and look in the mirror)  ;)

Your point is well taken as there certainly have been times when we all have not shown the patience of Christ toward some who for whatever reason came into this fellowship. I know I have been guilty of jumping to conclusions about the motives of people who just might have a style of communication that I do not find to be easily discernible or particularly inviting. I have come to realize that my own style has and does put some people on the defensive or even inspires them to refrain from ever commenting on things I might write. We all find some people more in tune with us and our present condition more than we can relate to others, on the other hand our perception of others is actually due to our present condition.

Yes, there have been some intemperate statements made in response to questions and thoughts people have posted but more often than not there were also sympathetic responses mingled in too, I have noticed that some will only note the negative, some will acknowledge the positive but will attempt pitting one against the other and then there will be some who are mature enough in spirit to recognize there will never be a perfect place to gather while we are all still in this flesh, this body of sin and death.

That is why we are called to be overcomers!

I think there has also been some resentment (totally understandable) that some people feel when their posts, comments, feelings are not acknowledged, they feel ignored. I do not respond to every topic and sometimes in retrospect I feel as if I have contributed to someone experiencing this emptiness, I could have easily wrote a word or two but for whatever reason (there are many and laziness certainly comes to mind) I didn't.

Thank you for your observation, it is my hope that all of us pay closer attention to and have empathy for all the sisters and brothers who come across our paths.

Peace,

Joe     

 

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hillsbororiver

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Re: Forum Blues
« Reply #67 on: August 01, 2009, 08:15:16 PM »

Joe,
Just a little compliment on your writing style. I always enjoy reading any of your comments; they are sprinkled with honesty, transparency, truth, patience, and humor. Thank you! You are truly an inspiration to me.

Angie

Dear Angie,

Thank you for the generous and kind words.

Peace to you Sister,

Joe
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hillsbororiver

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Re: Forum Blues
« Reply #68 on: August 01, 2009, 08:24:35 PM »

To all who posted, what a wonderful thread. See what you started Roy! And it is good. There is another reason someone might drop out. I have a tendency to gather info and then get bored which is why I need teachers. I was never much for detail, never having had the patience for it. Also, when problems arise and I am overwhelmed I tend to QUIT GOD, hate to reach out and withdraw, that all or nothing attitude. Well, hot or cold if you like. Anyway, I do appreciate the moderators and everyone that comes on here and also miss them when it has been awhile.  Judy

Hi Judy,

I also tend to run hot and cold in my participation and dedication, sometimes I study, pray & post with a manic fervor and other times I either only observe and contemplate or totally withdraw.  :-\

You know there is hope even for folks like us;  ;)

Rev 3:15  I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
 
Rev 3:16  So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Peace,

Joe

 
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firefly77

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Re: Forum Blues
« Reply #69 on: August 01, 2009, 10:33:41 PM »

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To all who posted, what a wonderful thread. See what you started Roy! And it is good. There is another reason someone might drop out. I have a tendency to gather info and then get bored which is why I need teachers. I was never much for detail, never having had the patience for it. Also, when problems arise and I am overwhelmed I tend to QUIT GOD, hate to reach out and withdraw, that all or nothing attitude. Well, hot or cold if you like. Anyway, I do appreciate the moderators and everyone that comes on here and also miss them when it has been awhile.  Judy

Hi Judy,

I also tend to run hot and cold in my participation and dedication, sometimes I study, pray & post with a manic fervor and other times I either only observe and contemplate or totally withdraw.  Undecided

You know there is hope even for folks like us;  Wink

Ecclesiastes 3:1 There is a time for everything, a season for every activity under heaven.
3:7 A time to tear and a time to mend. A time to be quiet and a time to speak up.

All is of God  :)

Angie
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Re: Forum Blues
« Reply #70 on: August 02, 2009, 09:40:52 AM »

Hi...
      & some times.  there are those of us who do not frame thier words . or write in a way that some people can  allway.s understand . Dyslexia. autism.  & learning difficaltes .even social  skills .lack of .  & explaning them selfs .  & some who are different . will ...not... be accepted . .
so allso put.s  people off . because they are inadequate .  being different would be one of the hardest things to contend with . & that i know is real ....
      ...noeleena...
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Marky Mark

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Re: Forum Blues
« Reply #71 on: August 02, 2009, 11:03:41 AM »

Hi...
      & some times.  there are those of us who do not frame thier words . or write in a way that some people can  allway.s understand . Dyslexia. autism.  & learning difficaltes .even social  skills .lack of .  & explaning them selfs .  & some who are different . will ...not... be accepted . .
so allso put.s  people off . because they are inadequate .  being different would be one of the hardest things to contend with . & that i know is real ....
      ...noeleena...


noeleena,

  Truer words could not have been said.Thank you for reminding all of us here.  :)


Peace...Mark
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Re: Forum Blues
« Reply #72 on: August 02, 2009, 03:57:34 PM »

Hi...
      & some times.  there are those of us who do not frame thier words . or write in a way that some people can  allway.s understand . Dyslexia. autism.  & learning difficaltes .even social  skills .lack of .  & explaning them selfs .  & some who are different . will ...not... be accepted . .
so allso put.s  people off . because they are inadequate .  being different would be one of the hardest things to contend with . & that i know is real ....
      ...noeleena...

noeleena,
your post speaks volumes to me and is a reminder of how we must always be loving and never judging. i know that framing words and expressing oneself can be difficult as i have witnessed firsthand how learning difficulties, such as autism, can create frustration when trying to express oneself. the words we type on this forum are just words, unless they reflect vision, love, and compassion. your words are true and from your heart.

claudia
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judith collier

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Re: Forum Blues
« Reply #73 on: August 02, 2009, 05:01:29 PM »

Thanks guys for taking the time to address what I said. WHEW! I thought maybe I was the only one who could turn off and on. That helps. Also I get so involved and I have so much to do, I have to make choices at times. I would love to sit at this computer day and night but then I would get overwhelmed with what I should be doing. I also have 4 children who are always sending their kids my way, plus the 2 blind guys. I also get very tense when I sit too long and turn into a whirling dervish. I peep into here very much but just read until I see someone very needful of attention, again choices. I think you guys do a wop up job, don't be to hard on yourselves. Love, Judy
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Ninny

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Re: Forum Blues
« Reply #74 on: August 02, 2009, 11:30:12 PM »

One very sweet thing about this forum is that there is always someone to share a smile with, a tear with and even a good belly laugh with! Everyone is right there for you whenever you need them..I say this from experience!
Kathy ;) :-*
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hillsbororiver

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Re: Forum Blues
« Reply #75 on: August 03, 2009, 10:16:59 AM »

BT, Ray and his teachings and my brothers and sisters in Christ - all of this is truly a precious gift from Daddy God. I have not been here long at all but this is a place where you can get the word of God in truth and love. You can drink of the living waters that refreshes your souls and renew your minds that brings about change; transformation from glory to glory to becoming sons and daughters of the Most High God in Daddy God's timing.

The journey of the heart is the less traveled road. Not many dare to go down these paths. There are hardships, heartbreaks, sickness, financial problems, losing family and friends over truth.. high cliffs, dry deserts, low valleys, dark caves, danger around corners... why do we go? Daddy God has chosen us to do and to will for His good pleasure. In His good pleasure is sweetest of fruit love, joy, peace, patience, goodness, kindness, gentleness, faithfulness and self control. The joy is unspeakable, peace that surpasses all understanding and love depths and heights that can not be measured. We are the living stones the body of Christ being fitted (assembled) together for such an awesome purpose. It is all of God. Glory be to His Name.

It is Daddy God that brought me here to fellowship with you with like minds and share and carrying one another burdens and to love all.  You are my family. Each one of you God's unique masterpiece in progress. You are blessed and you all are a blessing to me.  :)

In His Joy,
Bunni

Dear Bunni,

There is nothing I can add to your uplifting post except;

Thank you!

His Peace to you Sister,

Joe
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hillsbororiver

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Re: Forum Blues
« Reply #76 on: August 03, 2009, 10:31:35 AM »

Antaiwan in black, Joe in blue;


I don't know what I would do without this place.

I know the feeling Brother!

I may not post as often as I use to but I read quite often.

Any time you feel ready to start again it will be very much appreciated, in the mean time keep your eyes set on the most important thing humanity has ever been given, our Lord and Savior and be mindful of the path He has laid out for you. 

Sometimes the statements people make here need no addition from me!LOL

Ditto! Absolutely true, more often than not I find any addition from me is quite redundant.
I thank God soooo much for you guys and gals!!
I thank God for the friendships I have established here that I need soooooo much!!

Amen Antaiwan, I have found that it is sometimes easy to take this place for granted because it is not perfectly perfect (how is that for redundancy?) but there is definitely more to BT than an oasis from our day to day worlds, it is also a place to learn and practice patience, temperance and other spiritual attributes. If we cannot do here surrounded by believers how can we expect to in the hostile environments the world presents?   

Thanks again for your insight Joe.
Your pretty precious to this forum man!!

Antaiwan

Thank you for the generous and kind words.

Peace,

Joe
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Roy Martin

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Re: Forum Blues
« Reply #77 on: August 03, 2009, 07:26:36 PM »

We all have different talents and skills or Spiritual gifts but we are one body with one Spirit.
 I use to be shy about playing a music instrument in the presence of more talented musicians. I would be looking at an instrument at the music store, thinking about buying it, and they would plug it in to the amp; now the whole store can hear it, and everyone in there can play the heck out of a guitar. The guy says try it out, I would say, "you play it", or I would turn the volume down hoping they couldn't hear it as well.
 I'm not sure what brought me out of that, but now I will sit in the music store for long periods of time playing. It just doesn't bother me in the least. Sometimes someone will get an instrument and start jammin with me. A lot of times Ive been asked what I'm playing; sounds good, gives me some ideas to a song Ive been working on, or I never thought about using those chords like that. Just different things that would inspire them and vise verse.
  Its amazing how millions of arrangements can be made with only seven notes in music.
My point here is that every note is important just as everyone here, and their voice. Some notes and voices are brighter than others or sustained or muted, etc. but we need to know and hear all the notes and voices that make up a song. One note or chord  or voice is the beginning of something new.
  All of us are like music notes regardless of how small the sound might seem to some of us. Its like Ray says, "you have to pay attention to the words."
 Ive been around musicians that were so good, but puffed up about it, they just couldn't find anything interesting or even want to hear anyone else that isn't as good as they are. Well we shouldn't be that way because we are one body. We need to hear from each other.
 I want to want to be interested in every word that someone has to say. How can we put a great song together if we don't listen to, or play our note?
 I'm not good at quoting Scripture but I can usually put a story together that connects to Scripture. Its just the way I live it.
 Sorry if my reply doesn't make any sense to anyone.

No one needs to be shy about sounding off. We miss out on an opportunity, and so do you.
 I just posted something that might sound funny to some, and non interesting to some, etc., but it just doesn't matter to me because my note or chord is just as important as anyone else s. Its just the making of a different song that's all; presented in a way that is easy for me.
 The forum is the jam room. We are the notes. We need to hear all the notes to make a great great song.
OK, I'm through.
PS.  Its a great jam room. I'm thankful and blessed to be here.
Oh! and I am on topic if you listen to the notes and chords.
Peace
Roy

 
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Ninny

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Re: Forum Blues
« Reply #78 on: August 03, 2009, 08:39:17 PM »

Roy! That is so great! I guess that's why I love it here! Almost everyone knows that I am all about words, I love the sound of words I love to talk...don't really like the sound of my own voice, but talking is what I do best!! When it comes to this keyboard under my fingers it is a window to the world to me!! I spend a lot of my day writing words! (When I'm not actually talking!!)  :D God has given me such a gift here at BT--words to read and words to write!! I love everyone here as my dearest brothers and sisters. Most of you I really think of as a part of me! We are all in Christ so we are all a part of each other. We are members in this one body, members together and one in Christ!
Kathy ;) :-*
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bluzman

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Re: Forum Blues
« Reply #79 on: August 03, 2009, 08:43:09 PM »

Hi  Kathy,
You play that keyboard very well. Bluzman
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