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musicman:
It's a false doctrine. It would be like a churchaholic asking if god could send people to hell. Well, there is no such thing as hell so no, He couldn't. Does God have a christian false doctrine as a part of His nature? No. Does God have the ability to go against His own nature? I suppose. But that wouldn't mean He has free will. Can God make Himself hate the world? Can God make Himself a lyer? Can God make Himself vane and stupid like we humans? No, no and no. God does not have a free will.
ez2u:
after reading the replies what was i thinking???? ???
thanks people my mind wasn't thinking right
maybe I have been studying too much and the brain
was scramble. thanks again
Marky Mark:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5146.msg40669.html#msg40669
Dear Dean: Regarding the Forum's question as to whether God has a free will or not:
"Free will" is not a topic of Scripture. Humanity absolutely does not have a free will/free choice disposition. All thoughts and actions have a cause. God, however, is the First Cause. God answers to no one and no one dictates or causes God to think or do anything--all Protestant and Catholic prayers to the contrary included. However, we are told in the Scriptures who "God cannot lie," for example or why God never "changes his mind." This is a governing factor to God's disposition, but it is not an outside force. Here is how God thinks and operates everything in the universe:
"In Whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of Him Who works [operates] ALL THINGS AFTER THE C-O-U-N-S-E-L OF H-I-S O-W-N W-I-L-L" (Eph. 1:11).
God be with you,
Ray
Peace...Mark
indianabob:
Not to be disagreeing with any of the helpful comments posted so far, but
IN contrast to our limited will with all choices constrained by circumstances and by how we are made to function.
It would seem that God at least HAD free will to devise and create the Universe as we see it today.
So, did God make choices about how the laws of physics would interact?
Did God decide without any outside force compelling Him, how the biological systems would function?
In this restricted discussion I would think it may be helpful to consider that option.
We certainly do not have a will that is free from outside influence.
God on the other hand would be the only ONE having choices FREE from outside constraints...
I suppose that the question then becomes; when did God's plan for developing a family come together?
Obeying the counsel of His own will is correct, so did God always have that finalized plan or did God devise it according to the counsel of His own will?
The Bible says that "my Father works and I work" so does that include a preparation for creation?
John 5:17
I know that we believe that God has always existed and has no beginning in time, but the thoughts still enter my mind and inquiring minds want to know.
Anyone please comment or offer correction,
thanks, Bob
aqrinc:
For those inquiring minds, here is some information from Nashville 08 By Ray. This should provide some food for thought or more discussion after a good read.
Nashville Conference 08 - Where Did God Get Knowledge? audio #10 - video #7
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,8831.msg73653.html#msg73653
Excerpt from: Where Did God Get Knowledge ?
I asked the question; Did God have a master plan when He created the universe? Did He have something in mind? Where did that come from? It must have been something He always had in mind.
It’s like He said: ‘I always wanted to build the universe.’
And you say: Really for how long?
‘Oh I always dreamt that way.’
Yea?
‘Yea.’
Do you think you will ever do it?
‘Ahh, maybe someday.’
[laugher] Seriously, follow me.
Well is it a good plan.
‘Oh yea, it’s a good plan.’
Well why don’t you do it now?
‘Well okay maybe I will do it now.’
Did God always have this plan? You see we get this thing that God has always been everything that He is. God says He doesn’t change. It doesn‘t say that He says He has all knowledge. Oh yea, well where did He get it? I don’t doubt that God has all knowledge, but where did He get it? ‘Well He always had it.’ Do you have chapter and verse on that?
[Comment: Is, was and always will be] Jesus said that. But He was a created being. He came out from the Father. But now that He did, “He is,” He’s alive today, resurrected from the dead. “He was,” He was the one who created everything, He was the one that died for the sins of man and “He always will be.” That’s true. But even if you were to say that of the Father, that He is and was and always will be, there is still no statement that He always was what He is.
Does God learn? You say, ‘Ray it is sacrilege to talk like that.’ Well I’m sorry, but I think about this and I’ve talked to God about stuff like this and I don’t believe that I’m sacrilege at all. I honor God, I worship God.
Coming in here to learn this stuff this is worship. Waving your hands and falling over backwards and foaming at the mouth, that’s not worship. Learning the truths of God and saying, ‘I believe that and I can see that, this is wise, it is wisdom and this will help me be the kind of person that God wants.’ That is worship. You believe and you obey God, that’s worship.
Does God Learn ?
george. :)
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