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knuckle:
Hi ertsky---------
you wrote---like a duck to water, it didn't take long for him and his descendants after him (especially me) to get into it though did it? ---Amen to that(me too) but all according to the plan
you also wrote----1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.--- I am trying real hard to overcome this flesh ertsky,but as of yet I am still carnal.I am afraid that it will take alot more fire to burn knuckle's stubble away but I pray God will keep fanning the flame
much love---------knuckle
rocky:
--- Quote from: knuckle ---.....I am trying real hard to overcome this flesh ertsky,but as of yet I am still carnal.I am afraid that it will take alot more fire to burn knuckle's stubble away but I pray God will keep fanning the flame
much love---------knuckle
--- End quote ---
I hope this isn't hijacking this thread, and if it is, maybe a new thread should be started, but Knuckle wrote I am trying real hard to overcome this flesh.
Just what does overcome flesh mean?? I see this written often, and wonder what it means to each individual???
knuckle:
Hi rocky------
I think you did a fine job of describing what I was talking about in your "overcoming sin" thread
much love-------knuckle
ertsky:
Hi Knuckle
i better spell it out to avoid misunderstanding
when you said
--- Quote ---Adam was spiritually innocent as he was created without sin.
--- End quote ---
i thought "that's misleading", even though He may have been created without having YET committed a particular sin, still He was made "a sinning machine". (as you say according to the plan)
and when you said
--- Quote ---When we accept Christ our sins are covered and we return to the spiritual innocence that Adam had
--- End quote ---
i thought "false doctrine" we are dragged to Christ to recieve the image of Him that loved us not the image of Adam which is a sinning image.
so i quoted
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
to show that it is NOT the earthy (first adam) that we "return to" as you typed but indeed the heavenly (the Lord from heaven) yes His image we will be conformed to God willing.
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knuckle:
Hi ertsky---------
the original post I had made was reguarding the atonement of Christ and not sonship(which was what Paul taught) here on this forum you use the terms called and chosen.When I was talking about returning to Adam's state of spiritual innocence I was speaking to the state we obtain upon being "called" our sins and those we were born in are covered by Christs sacrafice and are forgotten.Sonship(being chosen,an overcomer) is an ongoing process.We are still in the flesh so to speak and that sinning machine you mention must be dealt with.That is why we walk through the fire in this life, to destroy it.Only the few will reach the state of 1Cor 15:47 in this life,the rest us will go through the lake of fire after.But we will all reach it by the time Christ returns the kingdom to the Father and God becomes All in All.
We use terms sometimes that can be confusing,Sonship,called,chosen etc that when one person writes them they may mean something different than what the person reading them takes them to mean.I pray that all my further posts are easily understood.I regret if this one was misleading :oops:
One more thing While we are talking about Adam though---the ONLY sin he could commit was eating that fruit because "dont eat it" was the only law he had.
much love--------knuckle
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