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An e-mail to Ray
Falconn003:
It is the typical response one would get when confronted by individuals who love thier world and do not remeber thier 1st love.
Fanatics, nazi's, kkk, black panthers, le m, ........ect all comes to mind as the typical birth place or origin of this line of behavior and expression of loveless fools.
Rodger
Daniel:
--- Quote from: Sorin ---
--- Quote from: Daniel ---The e-mail to me seems like a hoax in itself. I don't perceive it to be geniune myself. I think its as one "pretending to be" crazy truthfully.
Its the first thing that came into my mind concerning it.
Peace
Daniel
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I thought it was a legit email by an actual "born again" Christian. Maybe that's just me, but that's what came to my mind. Typical Christian attitude.
Either believe in hell, or end up in hell.
That's Christianity's new slogan: In hell we trust.
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Not by my understanding of the definition. You would think one who was born from above would speak like that Sorin? I'm talking how scripture would define one born from above, not as doctrines of men would.
Christian simply means "follower of Christ". I would not depict their actions or words to be an example deserving to be "called" a "follower of the truth" if they don't walk in Him.
I agree Sorin, that there seem many who "call themselves christians" (a follower of our Lord) who do not appear to follow Him at all. People "say" alot of things, Jesus showed that. One can "call themselves" anything they want. Its what they do that manifests where they truly are.
Even though those being disobedient (not walking in the truth) have coin the word "christian" to themselves does not make it true to them. To me the word "christian" is biblical and respectable as far as it legitimately applies to the followers of Christ.
When one might say for example, "All Christians suck" (I have heard it and I have said it in my time). But what I and they (we) are really saying (without thinking) is that "All followers of Jesus Christ" are "that". Perhaps another name might suffice? like "those in ignorance"? We can all be ignorant concerning something.
By the grace of God go I.
I admit it was a weird e-mail (and I don't know why I received a feeling on its authenticity, I just did)
Peace
Daniel
Daniel:
--- Quote from: Isabell ---I don't think this email is a hoax. A lot of "Christians" have a contemptuous and condescending attitude like this.
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Some do Isabell I agree, that might never change for some. Seems they are stuck in a rut and cannot grow and mature in Him.
Sad really.
Peace Daniel
Sorin:
--- Quote from: Daniel ---
--- Quote from: Sorin ---
--- Quote from: Daniel ---The e-mail to me seems like a hoax in itself. I don't perceive it to be geniune myself. I think its as one "pretending to be" crazy truthfully.
Its the first thing that came into my mind concerning it.
Peace
Daniel
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I thought it was a legit email by an actual "born again" Christian. Maybe that's just me, but that's what came to my mind. Typical Christian attitude.
Either believe in hell, or end up in hell.
That's Christianity's new slogan: In hell we trust.
--- End quote ---
--- Quote from: Daniel ---Not by my understanding of the definition. You would think one who was born from above would speak like that Sorin?
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No, of course not. I meant a so called "born again" Christian that's been splashed.. oops.... I meant baptized by water. ;)
--- Quote from: Daniel ---I'm talking how scripture would define one born from above, not as doctrines of men would.
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One born from above would be filled with love. This person obviously was not.
--- Quote from: Daniel ---Christian simply means "follower of Christ". I would not depict their actions or words to be an example deserving to be "called" a "follower of the truth" if they don't walk in Him.
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Exactly, that's why people on this forum don't generally call themselves Christian, because it's become perverted.
--- Quote from: Daniel ---I agree Sorin, that there seem many who "call themselves christians" (a follower of our Lord) who do not appear to follow Him at all. People "say" alot of things, Jesus showed that. One can "call themselves" anything they want. Its what they do that manifests where they truly are.
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...and no marvel that even Satan himself appears as an angel of Light. right? Hehe.
--- Quote from: Daniel ---Even though those being disobedient (not walking in the truth) have coin the word "christian" to themselves does not make it true to them. To me the word "christian" is biblical and respectable as far as it legitimately applies to the followers of Christ.
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I see your point, but do you also see mine? I say it's better to just say you're a "follower of Christ" than to say you're a "Christian" even though it technically means the same thing. Know what I mean?
--- Quote from: Daniel ---When one might say for example, "All Christians suck" (I have heard it and I have said it in my time). But what I and they (we) are really saying (without thinking) is that "All followers of Jesus Christ" are "that". Perhaps another name might suffice? like "those in ignorance"? We can all be ignorant concerning something.
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That's true what you're saying, and I agree but when I say the word "Christian" or "Born again" in the way I said above, I mean "those in ignorance". See what I mean?
--- Quote from: Daniel ---By the grace of God go I.
I admit it was a weird e-mail (and I don't know why I received a feeling on its authenticity, I just did)
Peace
Daniel
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I found it more hateful than "weird", but I did not have doubt about it's "authenticity".
Peace,
Sorin
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Daniel:
Agreed Sorin, hateful is ignorance and disobedient to the command of Christ. I simply will not let them soil the name "Christian" in my eyes after the truth it was always meant to represent. Christian will always mean what it is meant to mean as defined in scripture.
I would not "throw out" or "count corrupt" my Lords name simply because others have taken and brought blaspheme to the good name by which we are call by. I have done the same thing it would be hypocrital to say I have not. I can't do the same with "christian" anymore either. I'm not ashamed to be called a Christian (follower of Christ) because of what others has done to His name. I have been guilty myself of the very same thing. To hide my face from the name simply because of what others (even myself) have done to it don't feel right in me. I had equal part in the same things. I'm not holier then thou in that respect that I don't remember where I have come from or what I have done.
Granted, this e-mail was over the top, I'm tempted to say more but really, to what purpose? Revel in it?
I don't want to mud sling them either and become like them in behaving that way. Then I would be doing the same to (and in) His name what they are accused of doing. They do a pretty good job abusing them own selves, manifesting their position. It don't take an Einstien to see something is amiss here thats for sure.
Peace
Daniel
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