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How did God know evil? where did it come from?
darren:
I was wondering, on the Nashville conf. (07) audio Ray at one time was speaking about Jesus being glorified in heaven before He became human. Ray asked what did Jesus do in order to be glorified. Ray also said that (and we all,( US) believe and know that God is love) But where did God come up with the concept of evil. and Where did God get the concept of suffering? When before there was even a single creation, there was nothing but God Himself. God being pure love. How and where did He get these thoughts from? How does evil and suffering come into Pure Love's Mind Also, Ray asked How did God get to be what He is (perfection) and Has He always been perfection. Ray added (I have some Ideas on that but I not gonna say right now). (Nashville 07). If I miss stated or miss understood what Ray has said here I am very sorry. I apologize to Ray and the members. It is that I listen to Rays audios every night. (I do mean every night) and these questions Have been on my mind quite a bit.
Darren
PS these are not direct quotes from Ray.
PS These are not direct quotes from Ray
daywalker:
Hello Darren,
Isaiah 55:8 For, my thoughts, are not, your thoughts, Nor, your ways, my ways,—Declareth Yahweh.
9 For, higher, are the heavens than the earth,—So, higher, are My ways than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts.
10 For, as the rain and the snow descend from the heavens. And thither, do not return, Except they have watered the earth. And caused it to bring forth and bud,—And given seed to the sower, and bread to the eater,
11 So, shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth, It shall not return unto me void,—But shall accomplish that which I please, And shall prosper in that whereunto I have sent it.
Job 11:7 The hidden depth of GOD canst thou discover? Or, unto the furthest limit of the Almighty, canst thou attain?
8 The heights of the heavens, what canst thou do? Depths deeper than hades, what canst thou know?
Psalm 139:5 Behind and before, hast thou shut me in, and hast laid upon me thy hand:—
6 Knowledge, too wonderful, for me! high, I cannot attain to it!
7 Whither can I go from thy spirit? or whither, from thy face, can I flee?
8 If I ascend the heavens, there, thou art! If I spread out hades as my couch, behold thee!
[Verses taken from Rotherham's Emphasized Bible]
Sorry, Darren, I don't believe I have all the answers for you either, as I, like you, still wonder and marvel over the same things. There is so much we don't yet understand. God graciously reveals some of His Mysteries to those whom He chooses; but I suspect the real mysteries, the "DEEP things of God", will not be unveiled until the next "eon and further".
God Bless you on your journey, from brother to brother,
- Daywalker. 8)
darren:
Daywalker, I know there are things I will never understand about God's deep mystries. I believe God will reveal His mystries as He sees fit. If one thinks about it, we have been shown and now know more than we did before we came here. Ray said he has some ideas on this subject in Nashville (07) but wasn't ready to share it yet. I believe, Ray was or is waiting for God to show him more on the subject before he reveals it to us. I think this would be a great topic for the next conf. (IMO).
Darren
bunnylife:
Did the Father Love always have the knowledge of evil or did it come into existence when He gave birth to wisdom which I think is Jesus Christ - the wisdom of God in Proverbs 8:22-30. I know Ray talked about how the Father travailing in pain to give birth. He knew suffering because as women know how much pain it causes to give birth. Did the Father know about suffering before the birth? He experience suffering through the birth. We know the God created evil and that God doesn't create anything from nothing but everything from Himself. We know the Love is patient. The Father does not get everything He wants right away. He is patiently waiting for the sons and daughters of God to be manifested. He sacrifice His Son to have many sons. That sacrifice had to cause the Father suffering just as His son suffered here on earth. Does it not say that God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked. Love is not comprehended by our carnal minds. Only as the spirit of God works in us to transform us into the image of Love do we start to understand what Love (Father) is.
I don't know the answer either but I am glad that I know where evil does come from. The church told me they didn't know and it was outside of God?? That never made any sense to me. I am so glad to know the Truth. And that is God is Love and Love never fails.
In His Joy,
Bunni
Marky Mark:
Bunni,
Thank you for the thoughtful and loving words. :)
Peace...Mark
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