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His return? Some questions.
gmik:
Craig, was your answer yes to Lilit...first question? Is Jesus coming back to earth fleshly???
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: longhorn ---In all their 1000's of pages of writings, neither Ray nor Mike can give a simple clear answer, WHY, because they don't have the slightest damn idea. What they are very clever at doing in their e-mails when such a GENERAL question like this is asked them, is confuse the crap out of all who read it by giving scripture after scripture, after scripture, but yet not answering the question. For two men to claimed to be so spiritually superior to all of mankind, show me then where they give an answer to the question asked on this post, and then explain it in LAYMANS terms, and cut out all this trying to impress people with how many scriptures you can type in ONE post. Simple answer in laymans term is what was asked, and nobody on this forum can do it, that I can promise you.
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Ouch Longhorn take it easy my friend. No need for such harsh words, they have been granted insight, but like everyone else they don't know it all. I'm not sure if Ray and mike Think of themselves so highly but i did read rays comment to mike about them being the only to mature ones to discern such things, that was alittle out of plac eif you ask me but we all make mistakes. God forgive them, and us, and God will we are not led astray.
This is a very difficult subject, I do not think msyelf the ressurection is passed, or that it won't happen. But like Orien i know Christ in us NOW, so that is my confusion, He is with us now, He has returned yet if He actualy does not return physicaly then i guess the Dead will never hear that trumpet huh? Which i don't think is the case but this is why my question has been brought forth.
I am confused on this point, as much as anyone else i think, God give your flock some insight Lord and let us not be led astray. Amen.
God bless,
Alex
Daniel:
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--- Quote from: Andy_MI ---2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
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Where did anyone say Jesus was past? :lol:
He bore our sins (in what was) ONCE and for all, and THAT alone is past. He (who IS the Resurrection) is He who was (once for sin) IS and always will be, He never changes. :D
He hath delivered us from so great a death, who doth deliver, and will yet deliver.
Peace
Daniel
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Not sure what you're asking there bro. I see some confusion in lilitalianboy's heart concerning the second advent of Christ and the ressurection of the dead. I'm not directing the scripture quote towards anyone specific. Just showing that the ressuriction hasn't happened yet and awaits the coming of our Lord to sound the trumpet.
Peace,
Andy
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Sorry Andy, I was trying to find where someone said the Resurrection was past. I couldn't find where Alex had said that.
He just has honest questions, as Craig said, no one has given him a straight answer. I wont either thats why I answered my post the way I did. I think its best taught by God to Alex. God is certainly not deaf to Alex or unable he's just working it through.
But wars will start over the very subject even when you don't see the Resurrection as past. Others get offended.
Best to keep the mystery of the faith to yourself before the Lord with a good conscience.
Peace
Daniel
Daniel:
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--- Quote from: longhorn ---Simple answer in laymans term is what was asked, and nobody on this forum can do it, that I can promise you.
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Longhorn,
Yes..........Is that simple enough?
:D
Craig
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Plain arrogance, I dont see either of you helping Alex?
How can you both speak that way?
Craig I know you are Moderator, if I get kicked off for questioning this approach so be it. Then the Lords will be done, my time is up. I'll move on. But how can this be helpful to Alex anyone?
Daniel
worm:
if we want to know about the second coming of Jesus, we should look at how prophecy pans out...and especially with regards to the Feasts, Holy Days and Rituals of Israel...
Jesus already fulfilled the Spring Feasts ie Passover & Pentecost
What is still outstanding is the Autumn Feasts...Feast of Trumpets, the Wave Sheaf offering and the Feast of Tabernacles
to explain a bit of the above:
Passover
in the OT Israel slaugtered the Passover lamb and its blood was put on their lintels as protection against the Angel of Death...Jesus fulfilled this feast by becoming the Passover Lamb Himself...His blood delivering us from the Angel of Death
Pentecost
This feasts was celebrated to commemorate the occasion when God came down to His people...they were too scared of Him to receive His fullness, and thus He gave them the Law...a downpayment of greater things to come...Jesus fulfilled this feast when God came to the people again, but this time the 120 in the upper room was not scared and received the Holy Spirit...
also, the Day of Atonement and the Leper cleansing rituals also prophecy on the two works of Christ
take the Leper cleansing ritual as example...
after a leper was healed...he had to take two doves to be offered by the High Priest and present himself
one dove was killed in an earthen vessel under running water, and the second dove was smeared across its back with the blood of the first dove...and set free...after all this happened, the leper was annointed with oil
now...the first dove obviously refers to the first work of Christ (the death work) and the second dove to His second work (the life work)
Scripture also refers to the coming of Jesus again with "His robe dipped in blood"...as it does to Joseph's coat (who is a pattern of Christ)
Scripture speaks of the whole creation groaning for the manifestations of the sons of God and also that at the coming of the Lord (again), the dead overcomers will be raised and the living overcomers will be changed like as in a twink of an eye...this wil be the time when the overcomers will be like Jesus...immortal and full of the Holy Spirit and have the same mind and heart as Christ...
the overcomers will meet Christ "in the air" as to welcome Him back to earth...the 1000 year mellenium will start and the prohecies of Joel, Jeremiah and Ezekiel will be fulfilled as the whole earth will then start knowing the righteosness of God...being taught and revealed by the Christ ruling company
this I beleive will occur sometime in the future with the Feast of Trumpets ( the 7th trumpet will sound and the dead overcomers will be raised)...as well as during the 7 days of the Feast of Tabernacles...when the Holy Spirit it its fullness will come upon the overcomers (not just a "downpaymnet" like Paul said happened at Pentecost)
if anyone is more interested and want to know where I learnt this from, PM me :wink:
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