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the sonship
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on August 16, 2009, 11:05:48 AM ---I want to stick totally to scripture in defining/describing the nature of God, including the Sonship. Whenever we venture into 'theology-speak' we step into confusion. But even WITH scripture, we cannot know God in the flesh, thus no language or imagining is sufficient to fully capture Him.
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Great point Dave...we know The Father through the Son, but only in part...only by what has been revealed to each person, in their own order.
John 14:7-11
v7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
v8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
v9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
v10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
v11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
2 Cor 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
1 Cor 13:9-12
v9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
v10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
v11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
v12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
Thanks,
Marques
CEO:
bibleman
In Ray's november 08 biblestudy that Kat just posted, Ray says Jesus was the son before he was even born of Mary.
Askseeknock
Charles
chuckt:
2 And the life was manifested, and we have seen and are testifying and reporting to you the life eonian which was toward the Father and was manifested to us.
Chapter 1
1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the word.
2 This was in the beginning toward God.
3 All came into being through it, and apart from it not even one thing came into being which has come into being.
4 In it was life, and the life was the light of men.
14 And the Word became flesh and tabernacles among us, and we gaze at His glory, a glory as of an only-begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.
15 John is testifying concerning Him and has cried, saying, "This was He of Whom I said, 'He Who is coming after me, has come to be in front of me,' for He was first, before me,"
16 for of that which fills Him we all obtained, and grace for grace.
17 For the law through Moses was given; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
18 God no one has ever seen. The only-begotten God, Who is in the bosom of the Father, He unfolds Him.
good thread.
inlove
chuckt
lilitalienboi16:
This issue of wether Jesus is the Son of God before His birth through marry or when He was actually baptized/born out of marry is easily solved by one scripture.
John 17:5 "And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."
Jesus was the glorified SON of God BEFORE the world began. Do we honestly think Jesus was glorified before the world began if He wasn't actually yet THE Son of God?
We are told He emptied Himself out of His divinity. Can't remember what verse so my apologies. If someone else can find it and link it that be great.
Regardless though, for Jesus to empty Himself out of His divinity and pray for His glory to be returned to Him which He had before the world began.. i think that puts the nail in the coffin.
Jesus was here before the world ever existed and came out of God, was born of God thus making Him the Son of God and than later came through marry into the physical world so that we might know God the Father.
God bless,
Alex
Marky Mark:
--- Quote ---We are told He emptied Himself out of His divinity. Can't remember what verse so my apologies. If someone else can find it and link it that be great.
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Here you go Alex.
Php 2:6 Who, being inherently in the form of God, deems it not pillaging to be equal with God,
Php 2:7 nevertheless empties Himself, taking the form of a slave, coming to be in the likeness of humanity,
Php 2:8 and, being found in fashion as a human, He humbles Himself, becoming obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."
Php 2:9 Wherefore, also, God highly exalts Him, and graces Him with the name that is above every name,
Php 2:10 that in the name of Jesus every knee should be bowing, celestial and terrestrial and subterranean,
Php 2:11 and every tongue should be acclaiming that Jesus Christ is Lord, for the glory of God, the Father."
Peace...Mark
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