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the sonship
Marky Mark:
It seems a rather silly notion to think that Jesus was not, or is not, or will not, be of the Father.Jesus was a created Spiritual being who came forth from the Father long before His[Jesus] own creation.I would have to believe that just as a child comes out of a parent in the flesh, wouldn't you also have to believe that Jesus also came out of the Father,as a Spiritual Son also? Are they not O-N-E?
Rom 8:3 For what was impossible to the law, in which it was infirm through the flesh, did God, sending His own Son in the likeness of sin's flesh and concerning sin, He condemns sin in the flesh,
Mat 27:43 He has confidence in God. Let Him rescue him now, if He is wanting him, for he said that 'God's Son am I!'"
Joh 3:16 For thus God loves the world, so that He gives His only-begotten Son, that everyone who is believing in Him should not be perishing, but may be having life eonian."
Joh 3:17 For God does not dispatch His Son into the world that He should be judging the world, but that the world may be saved through Him."
Joh 3:35 The Father is loving the Son and has given all into His hand."
Mat 8:29 And lo! they cry, saying, "What is it to us and to Thee, Son of God! Didst Thou come here to torment us before the season?
Mar 5:7 and, crying with a loud voice, he is saying, "What is it to me and to Thee, Jesus, Son of God Most High! I am adjuring Thee by God: Not me shouldst Thou be tormenting!"
Mar 1:1 The beginning of the evangel of Jesus Christ, Son of God,
Peace...Mark
Dave in Tenn:
Php 2:5-11 For let this disposition be in you, which is in Christ Jesus also, Who, being inherently in the form of God, deems it not pillaging to be equal with God, nevertheless empties Himself, taking the form of a slave, coming to be in the likeness of humanity, and, being found in fashion as a human, He humbles Himself, becoming obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."
Wherefore, also, God highly exalts Him, and graces Him with the name that is above every name, that in the name of Jesus every knee should be bowing, celestial and terrestrial and subterranean, and every tongue should be acclaiming that Jesus Christ is Lord, for the glory of God, the Father."
I want to stick totally to scripture in defining/describing the nature of God, including the Sonship. Whenever we venture into 'theology-speak' we step into confusion. But even WITH scripture, we cannot know God in the flesh, thus no language or imagining is sufficient to fully capture Him.
Kat:
Hi Bible man,
In the parable of the wicked vinedressers, God is talking about His Son being sent, He was speaking about His Son before He was born on earth.
Mar 12:6 Therefore still having one Son, His beloved, He also sent Him to them last, saying, "They will respect My Son.'
Another Scriptures where God talks about sending His Son, meaning He's sending whom is already His son.
1John 4:10 In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
The Scripture the caller was using, does state "today I have begotten You." But He had already stated "You ARE My Son" first, then states "today I have begotten You."
Heb 5:5 So also Christ did not glorify Himself to become High Priest, but it was He who said to Him:
"You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
Psa 2:7 "I will declare the decree:
The LORD has said to Me,
"You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
All the translations put Him as His Son 'before' He states "today I have begotten You," none of them have it turned around like your caller says.
Rotherham
Heb 5:5 Thus, also the Christ, glorified not Himself to become a high-priest, but He that spake unto Him—My Son, art, Thou, I, this day, have begotten thee;
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Phil3:10:
Dave in Tenn,
I love the way you answered with scripture the nature of GOD and HIS SON. You are so right that we in the flesh have not a clue as to the greatness and power of GOD and HIS SON. No language or imagining can even begin to describe that nature.
I do think that this is GOD'S will right now. However, the promise that we shall know HIM in the future is what keeps me getting up each day. We can all try, we can all grow daily in HIS nurture and admonition, we can all seek to know HIM, and HE will give to each of us only what HE knows we are capable of discerning.
I do feel the worst enemy of GOD is religion and as you so aptly put it 'theology-speak'. GOD made us imperfect, flawed, and fleshly and HE did it in order to one day show all mankind HIS true greatness and power.
If we could all learn to just look to HIM, HIS SON, and HIS WORD and not the traditions of man we will all grow to understand that it is only HIM.
In HIM,
Phil3:10
Marky Mark:
--- Quote from: Dave in Tenn on August 16, 2009, 11:05:48 AM ---Php 2:5-11 For let this disposition be in you, which is in Christ Jesus also, Who, being inherently in the form of God, deems it not pillaging to be equal with God, nevertheless empties Himself, taking the form of a slave, coming to be in the likeness of humanity, and, being found in fashion as a human, He humbles Himself, becoming obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."
Wherefore, also, God highly exalts Him, and graces Him with the name that is above every name, that in the name of Jesus every knee should be bowing, celestial and terrestrial and subterranean, and every tongue should be acclaiming that Jesus Christ is Lord, for the glory of God, the Father."
I want to stick totally to scripture in defining/describing the nature of God, including the Sonship. Whenever we venture into 'theology-speak' we step into confusion.
--- Quote ---But even WITH scripture, we cannot know God in the flesh
--- End quote ---
, thus no language or imagining is sufficient to fully capture Him.
--- End quote ---
Hello Dave.
I think that the more we read Scripture, the more and the better we come to know our God. The better we learn to obey God, the more we begin to love our God.With that love we then begin to trust God all the more.With this trust and worship our Father begins to show us who and what He is . He is above all else, a God of L-O-V-E. :)
I like this email to Ray on who God is.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3593.0.html
Dear Lisa:
Yes, I am pretty sure about things that I am pretty sure about.
Somebody MADE US! I'm sure of that? Whoever it was is fearfully powerful and smart.
To me, it would take a "God" to create us and the universe. So that's what I call that
powerful, intelligent, wise, and I believe LOVING Creator. I call Him 'GOD'!
Now then, the $64,000 question. Is that all we know about the Creator God? He made us.
Anything else? Yes, there is a lot more. God is obviously a great artist--just look around.
I like to look at my cats (especially when they were kittens, but even now, they often play like kittens even though they are adults). They have so much fun. They make up silly games all the time. They can make a game out of almost any movable object. And they are loving, and sweet, and kind. My favorite, Stumpy, especially loves to be held and hugged every morning. I do that while I read emails. I learn a lot about God through my cats. God made my cats. What kind of a God would make such marvelous animals as kittens and puppies?
Next, let's get crazy. What if this Great Creator God actually wanted to give us some kind of an insight into the reason why He created us? Would't that be something? Well, I believe He has. I believe what we call the Holy Scriptures are more than just a man-made collection of myths and fabulous stories of old. I don't have time to tell you why I believe this, but I do. The knowledge that these books contain is unfathomable and unattainable. We could study them for thousands of years, and still keep learning more and more. Maybe it would behoove you to just keep reading the things that I write about, and maybe you too will become a true Believer in our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
God be with you,
Ray
Peace...Mark
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