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Why be reborn if all men are saved anyway?

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gmik:
Hans, Welcome to our Forum Family.  Thanks for the question.  Did you read all the responses? I did and so will others.

 See, you asked a question for yourself, but all of us get to read loads of scripture.  I get so much out of these threads.  Its one big Bible study.

Be Blessed friend.

Dave in Tenn:
All men are not saved 'anyway'.  All men will be saved God's way.  Whatever God says must needs happen, must needs happen. 

The hardest part of understanding in the beginning is 'unlearning' so very much of what was preached and taught into us.  This too is necessary.  "Except a seed fall to the ground and die..."

Welcome to the forum.  Hang in there! 

aqrinc:

Hi Hans,

Welcome to the forum, good question too; below is a paper that Ray has already done on this subject.

Hope it answers your questions, otherwise by all means let us keep discussing it until you can see.



Excerpt from: March 2008 Biblestudy

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,7047.msg56003.html#msg56003

     
                 CAN WE LOSE GOD’S SPIRIT AND EONIAN LIFE?
          [Is “once saved always saved” - Scripturally true or false?]
             [And what does it matter? Are not all saved ‘anyway’?]

What I’m trying to do here is pull together two or three thoughts.  I just marvel at the people that read our site and are confused about what we teach.  I can understand people going to all these churches and denominations and all these religions; Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses and Muslims or whatever and how they are confusing.  But they will read hundreds of pages on our site and they are confused and I just shake my head in wonderment.  So here are just three ideas that people get and some of it from reading our material or they claim that they read it.

1.  That the Saints are already in heaven.  That is if you were a Saint and you died, then you went to heaven.

2.  No you don’t go to heaven when you die, but you are saved in this life.  Like right now, if you believe in Christ, you ARE saved now.  You will die and you will come up in the resurrection, but you are presently saved. 

3.  Then we have those who think, well maybe I’m right about all being saved, but this is an enigma to them.  Because does this then means that we are either saved now or we’ll be saved when we die or we’ll be saved when we die and are resurrected, then we’ll be in judgment or whatever, He’ll judge everybody and then they will be saved.

So I got this email yesterday, it’s a short  email:
‘Ray, if everyone goes to heaven, why did Jesus say in Matt. how hard it would be for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven?  Jesus said that after the rich man came to Him and He said that he should sale everything and give to the poor. 
I agree with you on the whole homosexual thing (so this would indicate that he read it, right, because you couldn’t agree with the “whole thing” unless you read it).  But why do we have to make a stand against it, if they are all going to heaven anyway?  What is the point of taking up your cross and following Jesus, which we all know is a very hard thing to do.  I’m really not trying to be sarcastic (I believe him, he’s not trying to be nasty, he’s not one of these guys that say, ‘oh Ray, so I guess I can go out and fornicate and do whatever I want.’  No, this one is asking sincerely.  He said I‘m not trying to be sarcastic here, he said I really want to know this), but what does it profit me to live a godly life?  When in actual fact I could go out and live the life of enjoying as much sex as I want, disobeying His commandments, rejecting the truth that He is, and still enjoy the same everlasting life.  Why should I deny myself all that worldly pleasure, if it all leads to God anyway?’

What does all this matter?  Why are we even here having a Bible study today, everybody is going to be saved ‘anyway’?  No they are not!  No one will ever be saved ‘anyway.’ 
That’s what I wrote back to him and I said, no one ever was or ever will be saved ‘anyway.’  There is only one way and it is not any way, it is through Jesus Christ who is the Life you see, “the Way, the Truth, and the Life” (John 14:6).  That’s the ONLY way.  But people think like this alright.  And I’ve got another email here.

george. :)

cjwood:
hi hans,
welcome to the forum. i hope your journey here will be a blessing to you. you have been brought here as part of God's perfect plan for your life. the more you read and learn, the more you will come to understand why you were brought to the greatest website on the internet. when reading your question, "why be reborn if all men are saved anyway?" i thought of a couple of things. firstly, that all men aren't saved anyway, they are saved God's Way, through Jesus Christ, the Way the Truth and the Life. secondly, that all men are GOING to be saved because all men WILL be reborn (of Spirit).  one can't be saved without being reborn, and one can't be Spiritually reborn and not become Saved.

claudia

Marky Mark:

--- Quote from: JMsubordinate on August 21, 2009, 03:56:40 PM ---I have learned a lot from Ray, however I stumble at the bit where Jesus says that we must be reborn(born of the Spirit. ) in order to be saved...all biblical versus quoted by Ray clearly state that ALL men will be saved.... why then do we have to be reborn... someone please explain.
Thank you
Hans

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--- Quote ---why then do we have to be reborn
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Welcome Hans. Here are some powerful reason.

Romans 12:
1  I beseech you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God to present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, pleasing to God, which is your reasonable service.
2  And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, in order to prove by you what is that good and pleasing and perfect will of God.
3  For I say, through the grace given to me, to every one who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think. But set your mind to be right-minded, even as God has dealt to every man the measure of faith.


1Cor.1: 26  For consider your call, brethren; not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth;
 27  but God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise, God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong,
 28  God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are,
 29  so that no human being might boast in the presence of God.



Peace...Mark

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