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The infamous chariots of iron verse?
Astrapho:
I know that this is a very silly and trivial question, but it still really bugs me.
Jdg 1:19 And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
First time I read it, I was like, "What?!"
And now, I'm still like, "What?!"
I read it over and over again and I can't figure it out. How come they lost to the people in the valley when GOD is on their side (And the side God is on always wins), because of "chariots of iron"? ???
(Sorry if it's been posted before! :-\ )
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Astrapho on August 27, 2009, 12:07:45 PM ---I know that this is a very silly and trivial question, but it still really bugs me.
Jdg 1:19 And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
First time I read it, I was like, "What?!"
And now, I'm still like, "What?!"
I read it over and over again and I can't figure it out. How come they lost to the people in the valley when GOD is on their side (And the side God is on always wins), because of "chariots of iron"? ???
(Sorry if it's been posted before! :-\ )
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lol no worries man. Let it bother you, think about it, chew on it, spit it out, whatever! haha
I personally have a few suggestions of my own.
1. Did you check other translations and look at the word translated as "but could not drive out?"
2. God obviously planed that this people not move into the valley but that it remain in the hands of those who fought on chariots of iron. Not sure exactly why this should disturb you?
3. Have you considered that this passage is writting from a relativestic point of view as opposed to an absolute [God's View]?
Many times in scripture a passage is written from the perspective of a mans. For example, The jews cursing God.
Just because they cursed God, does that mean that God was really cursed? Of course not!
Make sence? I hope this helps.
God bless,
Alex
Astrapho:
The only other translation I have which make smore sense is by YLT:
(YLT) and Jehovah is with Judah, and he occupieth the hill-country, but not to dispossess the inhabitants of the valley, for they have chariots of iron.
But it still makes no sense. Why not dispossess the inhabitants of the valley, just because they have chariots of iron? >.<
Relativistic didn't work out very well either.
--- Quote ---2. God obviously planed that this people not move into the valley but that it remain in the hands of those who fought on chariots of iron. Not sure exactly why this should disturb you?
--- End quote ---
It's just... Weird. :-X I mean, it's just so random.
edit (elaboration): I first came across it when it was quoted by an atheist to prove the bible makes no sense. And it doesn't, not really. I know that it doesn't change the fact the scriptures are truth, but it's just a little odd. :-\
NoviceBeliever:
If you look at it from a perspective that those in the valley are God's chosen and the chariot of iron as God giving the chosen the tools to stay the course, it makes sense to me. Just my thought. NB
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Astrapho on August 27, 2009, 12:25:28 PM ---The only other translation I have which make smore sense is by YLT:
(YLT) and Jehovah is with Judah, and he occupieth the hill-country, but not to dispossess the inhabitants of the valley, for they have chariots of iron.
But it still makes no sense. Why not dispossess the inhabitants of the valley, just because they have chariots of iron? >.<
Relativistic didn't work out very well either.
--- Quote ---2. God obviously planed that this people not move into the valley but that it remain in the hands of those who fought on chariots of iron. Not sure exactly why this should disturb you?
--- End quote ---
It's just... Weird. :-X I mean, it's just so random.
edit (elaboration): I first came across it when it was quoted by an atheist to prove the bible makes no sense. And it doesn't, not really. I know that it doesn't change the fact the scriptures are truth, but it's just a little odd. :-\
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lol don't wrestle the scriptures to your own destruction :P
It makes perfect sense, specially young's literal translation.
God simply tells us He didn't dispose of the men in the valley and the reason for why He didn't do it.
I think you are confusing the fact that God didn't do it with somehow an inability on God's part TO DO it.
Simply because God explains why He didn't do it [not that He can't], because they have chariots of iron, doesn't mean He can't. Understand? God didn't say, "I CANNOT dispose of them" but simply that He didn't, BECAUSE and than gives the reason.
Capeesh? :))
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