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9440geoff:
I was watching a TV programme about abortion the other night and it left me asking myself two questions, apart from feeling a lot of anger and emotion.

When a baby is conceived, does he/she have a soul immediately upon conception, or not until he/she is actually born? Doctors have said that babies in the womb can feel emotions, and can recognise the mother's voice. This would indicate consciousness in the baby, which I understand is the soul. Or is it?

The other question that came to mind is can a baby, that is aborted, be a part of God's elect? i.e. One of the few.

I'd welcome the replies of my BT family,

Geoff

Marky Mark:

--- Quote from: 9440geoff on August 27, 2009, 04:59:32 PM ---I was watching a TV programme about abortion the other night and it left me asking myself two questions, apart from feeling a lot of anger and emotion.

When a baby is conceived, does he/she have a soul immediately upon conception, or not until he/she is actually born? Doctors have said that babies in the womb can feel emotions, and can recognise the mother's voice. This would indicate consciousness in the baby, which I understand is the soul. Or is it?

The other question that came to mind is can a baby, that is aborted, be a part of God's elect? i.e. One of the few.

I'd welcome the replies of my BT family,

Geoff

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Hello Geoff.


--- Quote ---does he/she have a soul immediately upon conception
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I would say yes.The combination of Gods Spirit with His handy work of creating new life in the womb[a fetus-body] would to me at least constitute of being human in nature, a soul.


--- Quote ---can a baby, that is aborted, be a part of God's elect? i.e. One of the few.
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I think as Ray has pointed out numerous times, Spiritual conversion is a life time process that must be lived out from birth to death through the Spirit, living in, and through you.If a person[fetus] is not aware of the Truths of the Spirit then I cannot see how an aborted fetus[person] could qualify to be called, chosen, and faithful to the end.


Hope this helps.  :)


Peace...Mark

musicman:
Come on Geoff, how can a fetus judge anybody once in the Kingdom?  I think you misunderstand the "come out of her my people" command.

Kat:

I would just like to bring up something to be considered.  When God made Adam, when did he become "a living soul"?  With the "breath of life."

Gen 2:7  And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Job also says, it was "breath" that gave him life.

Job 33:4  The Spirit of God has made me, And the breath of the Almighty gives me life.

Interesting that he states his life is a breath.

Job 7:7  Oh, remember that my life is a breath!

Notice when Jesus Christ knew His death was imminent and His spirit would go back to the Father "He breathed His last."

Luke 23:46  And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, "Father, "into Your hands I commit My spirit."' Having said this, He breathed His last.

Many times the Bible speaks that someone "breathed his last" and then he died.

Gen 25:8  Then Abraham breathed his last and died in a good old age, an old man and full of years, and was gathered to his people.

Gen 35:29  So Isaac breathed his last and died,

Acts 5:5  Then Ananias, hearing these words, fell down and breathed his last.

Aren't these Scriptures saying that physical life and breath come simultaneously?  We know that the soul is the result of the combination of body and spirit.  Isn't the spirit in man is his breath?

Pro 20:27  The spirit5397 of man is the lamp of the LORD, searching all his innermost parts.

Gen 2:7  And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath5397 of life; and man became a living soul.

Both of this Scriptures use the same Hebrew word neshamah.
 
H5397
neshâmâh - a puff, that is, wind, angry or vital breath, divine inspiration, intellect or (concretely) an animal: - blast, (that) breath (-eth), inspiration, soul, spirit.

The only time breath is used in the New Testament in the KJV.

Acts 17:25  Neither is worshiped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath4157, and all things;

G4157
pnoē - respiration, a breeze: - breath, wind.

The same Greek word is used in Acts 2 as wind/Holy Spirit.

Acts 2:2  And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind4157, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

I will close by stating the obvious, we take our first breath of life only after we are physically born into this world.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Roy Martin:
Adam was formed in maturity unlike being in the womb.I don't know how long it took or how it could have looked as he lay on the ground being formed. It could have been in an instant. I can't even imagine how it was, but it definitely wasn't in a womb.
 Doesn't a child in the womb receive oxygen in some way?
John still in the womb reacted to the presence of Jesus still in the womb. I don't know about if they had a soul but they were very much alive and aware to spirit or something.

 Peace
Roy

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