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My Question for 'Pro-choice' Christians
daywalker:
Wazzup BT Crew,
For whatever reason I was thinking about this topic today... probably inspired by the post 'aborted babies' by Geoff, that I just got done reading. Anyway, I don't know how many of you have met a "pro-choice" Christian [talk about an oxymoron...] but I have met a few in the past... perhaps because I live in the incredibly stupid [or to be politically-correct 'liberal'] state of California. I tell ya, I love livin' here, the weather is great, but the residents are not all that bright...
Anyway, I thought I'd share a 'question' that I always ask these 'pro-choice' Christians, whenever I get stuck in a conversation with them... The funny part is they think they're so knowledgeable and they actually try to use Science to defend their beliefs; but get them on the topic of Evolution and suddenly Science is the 'devil'.
Well, after I let them go through their spill about how premature babies aren't alive and they're part of the mother's body and she has the 'right' to decide and that's why abortion isn't killing blah blah blah... I tell them I have ONE Question for them. And here it is:
Do you then believe that Mary had the 'right' to abort Jesus Christ should she have desired to do so? Would you have been okay with her decision to 'abort' the Saviour of the World, and supported her decision the same as you do every other woman?
**Technically that's two questions, but they go together**
I've asked this question to several of these 'pro-choice' Christians and so far I've gotten the SAME RESPONSE every time: They give me the 'stunned' face :o ...and they walk away and never talk to me about it again. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED :D
Welp, there's my story of the day. Peace, Out
Daywalker 8)
Kat:
Hi Daywalker,
I believe there is no 'what ifs.' Everything that happens can not have been any other way, all is exactly as God planned it. That is the only way it can be since He knows the end from the beginning and of course everything in between.
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, "My counsel shall stand,
And I will do all My pleasure,'
I do not know why God has caused some to not see the preciousness of human life, I just see it as part of this evil experience for now. All of these evils that are happening in this world will one day be put in perspective. As long as we have confidence in the sovereignty of God we can be assured that His plan will eventually correct all wrongs.
Rev 21:4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away."
Heb 3:14 For we share in Christ, if only we hold our first confidence firm to the end,
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Amrhrasach:
--- Quote from: daywalker on August 28, 2009, 11:28:58 AM ---
Wazzup BT Crew,
For whatever reason I was thinking about this topic today... probably inspired by the post 'aborted babies' by Geoff, that I just got done reading. Anyway, I don't know how many of you have met a "pro-choice" Christian [talk about an oxymoron...] but I have met a few in the past... perhaps because I live in the incredibly stupid [or to be politically-correct 'liberal'] state of California. I tell ya, I love livin' here, the weather is great, but the residents are not all that bright...
Anyway, I thought I'd share a 'question' that I always ask these 'pro-choice' Christians, whenever I get stuck in a conversation with them... The funny part is they think they're so knowledgeable and they actually try to use Science to defend their beliefs; but get them on the topic of Evolution and suddenly Science is the 'devil'.
Well, after I let them go through their spill about how premature babies aren't alive and they're part of the mother's body and she has the 'right' to decide and that's why abortion isn't killing blah blah blah... I tell them I have ONE Question for them. And here it is:
Do you then believe that Mary had the 'right' to abort Jesus Christ should she have desired to do so? Would you have been okay with her decision to 'abort' the Saviour of the World, and supported her decision the same as you do every other woman?
**Technically that's two questions, but they go together**
I've asked this question to several of these 'pro-choice' Christians and so far I've gotten the SAME RESPONSE every time: They give me the 'stunned' face :o ...and they walk away and never talk to me about it again. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED :D
Welp, there's my story of the day. Peace, Out
Daywalker 8)
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Touchy and sensitive subject.
If one thread on this matter has been closed do you really think another on the subject of abortion/abortion right is appropriate?
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
No offense, personally.
Gary
daywalker:
--- Quote from: Horseman on August 28, 2009, 01:56:50 PM ---Touchy and sensitive subject.
If one thread on this matter has been closed do you really think another on the subject of abortion/abortion right is appropriate?
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
No offense, personally.
Gary
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Hey Gary,
Thanks for your response and no offense taken... Personally, I don't see this topic any more 'touchy' than a topic on whether or not to support our troops killing people in Iraq or wherever, or any other topic about 'killing' and 'violence'. To me, killing is killing, simple as that. If you're a follower of Jesus Christ then you don't kill or support killing. But don't mistake my words into thinking that I look down on those who are 'pro-choice' and exalt myself higher than them... I know they are deceived, as I know that I have been deceived on things in the past, and perhaps on some things still am deceived. I only know what God has revealed to me, as everyone else, and I cannot take credit for any knowledge I have, nor treat others differently...
The way I understood--the last post was closed because everything that could be said was said, and any other reply would be some form of repeating a previous idea. I'm only sharing an experience I had; not trying to start a debate on abortion.
Hey Kat,
Thanks for your response. It's always important to remember that God is in Control and all knowledge that we as individuals have came from God and not out of our own intellect. And it's true there are many things we don't yet understand, and probably won't until the next aion. That can be frustrating at times, but thank God it won't be like this forever.
Peace, Out
Daywalker 8)
NoviceBeliever:
I wasn't going to reply to this post, as it is a very touchy and personal subject for me, but I think Kat has summed it up very well...
--- Quote from: Kat on August 28, 2009, 01:31:48 PM ---
I believe there is no 'what ifs.' Everything that happens can not have been any other way, all is exactly as God planned it. That is the only way it can be sense He knows the end from the beginning and of course everything in between.
I do not know why God has caused some to not see the preciousness of human life, I just see it as part of this evil experience for now. All of these evils that are happening in this world will one day be put in perspective. As long as we have confidence in the sovereignty of God we can be assured that His plan will eventually correct all wrongs.
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and I think the following needs to be added;
(Mat 7:1 CLV) Do not judge, lest you may be judged,
(Mat 7:2 CLV) for with what judgment you are judging, shall you be judged, and with what measure you are measuring, shall it be measured to you."
(Mat 7:3 CLV) Now why are you observing the mote that is in your brother's eye, yet the beam in your eye you are not considering?
(Mat 7:4 CLV) Or how will you be declaring to your brother, 'Brother, let me extract the mote out of your eye,' and lo! the beam is in your eye?
(Mat 7:5 CLV) Hypocrite! Extract first the beam out of your eye, and then you will be keen-sighted to be extracting the mote out of your brother's eye."
This just as any sin, repentance must take place between the individual and GOD. We are not to judge. NB
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