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Matthew 8:11-12
wat:
Hm, some people don't know how to copy and paste? Interesting.
This page should help you.
http://www.webmasternow.com/copyandpaste.html
cjwood:
to mark and my other brothers & sisters on the forum,
i did not mean to put words in ray's mouth which he did not specifically say, as in abraham, isaac, and jacob would be in the Kingdom of God with the elect. ray did say that they would be in the Kingdom of God before the physical jews, but after rereading the email i referenced (which marques posted), i see that ray did not specifically say these patriarchs would be of the elect. i will study this particular aspect of his email more closely and search to see if ray mentions anything else specifically on this subject. i apologize if i have confused anyone, and if i am understanding ray's email incorrectly.
claudia
tinknocker:
Thanks all, that gives clarification to these verses. I did a search on Matthew 8:11-12 and came up with nothing. I knew some of the gurus on this forum would know how to find something.
Again Thank You all who posted. :)
Tom
cjwood:
--- Quote from: Loc on August 31, 2009, 04:02:49 PM ---Hm, some people don't know how to copy and paste? Interesting.
This page should help you.
http://www.webmasternow.com/copyandpaste.html
--- End quote ---
hi loc,
i am the "some people" you referenced in your post. not exactly sure what the "interesting" comment was for. i am pretty computer literate, but i have a new mac and am just learning my way around it. thanks though for the link. i will look at it and see if i can learn what i need to.
claudia
cjwood:
below is an email i found in the categorized list of ray's emails, in which ray states when the patriarchs will be saved and how they will be saved. i again sincerely apologize for putting words (unscriptural words at that) into ray's mouth which he DID NOT say. i have learned my lesson well. i hope the following email helps to further your understanding tom.
claudia
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,839.0.html
What did any of the ancient patriarchs know of "saving grace?" Answer: Nothing! And why is that? Because: "For the LAW was given by Moses, but GRACE AND TRUTH came by Jesus Christ" (John 1:18). Grace did not come before Christ, hence: No one was saved before Christ. "These ALL died in faith [how many? 'ALL.'] in faith [did they all have faith? Yes. Are we 'saved by faith?' NO--'By GRACE ye are saved....' Eph. 2:8. Did they nonetheless receive the promise of immortal life? NO....] NOT having received the promises..." (Heb. 11:13).
Could not the Patriarchs receive salvation through the faith that they had BEFORE Jesus came to die for their sins? NO. No Patriarch will be saved except through God's chosen elect: "And these ALL [how many? 'ALL'] having obtained a good report through faith, received NOT THE PROMISES: God having provided some better thing for US, that THEY without US should NOT be made perfect [Gk: 'complete.']" (Heb. 11:13 & 39-40).
Well then, if their faith and good report did not and cannot make them 'complete,' pray what can make them 'complete?' Answer: "And ye ['ye' believers in Jesus, not those who knew not Jesus and did not have Jesus live in them, and who were not 'crucified with Christ,' etc., etc., etc.]...and ye are COMPLETE [how?] IN H-I-M [JESUS]" (Col. 2:10), etc., etc., etc.
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