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Ninny:
Well said Charles!
and thank you Kat! very helpful to me, too!!
Kathy ;)
ez2u:
Thank you for your response. How very important it is to do the best we can but I know we can only go as far as the Holy Spirit allows us to go and we don't work out our Salvation by our discipline determine mind. It is Grace. This part here is a little confusing it seems like it means more than just beating physically. anyone know?
Luke 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and made not ready, nor did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes;
v. 48 but he that knew not, and did things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. And to whomsoever much is given, of him shall much be required: and to whom they commit much, of him will they ask the more.
peggy
Kat:
Hi Peggy,
In the no. 6 article 'The Two Judgments by FIRE' there is a lot of detail about God's judgment, at this link
http://bible-truths.com/lake6.html
But in Luke 12 where it says beaten with few or many stripes, this is not talking about a physical beatings, it is figurative language symbolic of the severity of the punishment that they must endure. Here are emails that speak about the Lake of fire judgment.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4544.0.html ------
The Bible teaches eternal punishment not eternal punishing.
Ray's COMMENT: The Bible may teach "eternal punishment" (actually "everlasting punishment is what the King James says. The term "eternal punishment" is not even found in the King James). But "everlasting" is a bogus translation. It should read "eonian chastisement," which does come to an end and the fruit of chastisement will be acquired. When the wicked are punished (chastised and judged) they will make spiritual progress and produce spiritual fruit: "When Thy JUDGMENTS are in the earth the inhabitants of the WORLD WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS" (Is.. 26:9). But who believes Isaiah? Or God either for that matter? ALL will be saved (I Tim. 2:4; :10; Phil 2:9-11; Eph. 1:10; I Cor. 15:28; etc.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4929.0.html -------
Actually, there are very very few sins that will be "punished." In Judgment, sinners are "chastised," not "punished."
Chastisement is designed for correcting and making right a wrong, but punishment is more like vengeance on someone for doing wrong.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2298.0.html ----
I have explained many times,
Jesus paid the PENALTY for sin, but paying the penalty for sin does not GET THE SIN
OUR OF THE SINNER. That is the purpose for judgment--to set things right: to set people right.
Etc., etc. Jesus saves us FROM our sins, not IN our sins.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2289.0.html ----
Jesus DIED: "...for the ungodly" (Rom. 5:6); "...unto sin" (Rom. 6:10); "...for our sins" (I Cor. 5:3); "...for all" (II Cor. 5:15); "...for us" (I Thes. 5:10, but nowhere does it say He died for our judgment or for our forgiveness. Christ was judged for nothing. We are not "considered judged" as though it happened in the past at the cross and therefore has no more place in our life. Likewise, Jesus did not die for our "forgiveness."
Long after the crucifixion and cross of Jesus, Peter tells us that "Judgment begins [yet, still] at the house of God...." (I Pet. 4:17). We must yet, still REPENT of our sins and CONFESS them (I John 1:8-9). Christ's death on the cross did not and does not adjudicate as innocent, ALL ARE GUILTY SINNERS.
Jesus paid the penalty for all sin at the cross: He did not make all sinners SAINTS at the cross. Hence, we all need judging.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3572.0.html -----
Hitler, Saddam and his sons, and people like John Hagee and Dr. Kennedy who gloat over billions being tortured for all eternity, and many more just like them, will be Judged in the VERY SAME WAY THAT THEY JUDGED OTHERS (Matt. 7:1-2). Their OWN SINS, will "TORMENT them" beyond comprehension, "in the PRESENCE of the Lamb" (Rev. 14:10), when God purges their evil consciences with His spiritual "CONSUMING FIRE" (Heb. 12:29).
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4010.0.html ---------
"The "dead" are being judged because they are those who were dead, and also, even though resurrected to life, they are still spiritually dead, and that is the purpose for the judgment in fire--to bring them to spiritual life.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,1607.0.html -----
If the sacrifice of Jesus cleanses our carnal minds completely, what was the purpose of the apostles suffering most AFTER the crucifixion and resurrection. And not all tribulation and suffering is to purge sin, but to build character, patience, love, etc. Jesus did not sin. Jesus did not have a carnal mind. Jet Jesus SUFFERED and learned what it was to be obedient BY the things that He suffered. Etc. The Lake of Fire is part of the Great White Throne Judgment. Some enter the city before others. Some have few lashes and others have many lashes, etc.
http://bible-truths.com/email6.htm#size ---------------------------
Many spiritually ignorant people believe that Jesus is saying that He will torture people in a "furnace of fire" for all eternity. I don't know why they think He would do that. Perhaps they think Jesus is a trillions billions times meaner than Saddam's two terrorist sons were.
The Scriptures speak many times about a furnace of fire melting, purifying, and burning off the unwanted dross when refining such metals as silver and gold. In I Cor. 3:12-12 Pauls gives us this same analogy of purifying gold, silver, or precious stones, while burning off the dross of wood, straw, and stubble. But Paul is clearly speaking of PEOPLE'S WORKS being tried and purified in this fire. The result of ALL that go through this purifying fire of God is that THEY ARE ALL SAVED! "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself SHALL BE SAVED, yet so as BY FIRE." There is the wonderful good news about the outcome of God's divine judgments.
And so Jesus also alluded to this endtime judgment of the lake of fire when everyman's work would be tried in the lake of fire (or furnace of fire). And we know just what the fire is, because it purifies as brimstone, which is DIVINE! God HIMSELF IS a "consuming fire" (Heb. 12:29). God even prophesied of this purifying fire of judgment back in the book of Malachi. I don't have the time to prove to you from the Bible that "Levi" is representative of ALL HUMANITY, but with that in mind, let's read Malachi 32-3, "But who may abide the day of His coming? and sho shall stand when He appears? for He is like a REFINER'S FIRE, and like fullers' soap: and He shall sit as a REFINER AND PURIFIER [need I even comment that we do not torture or punish silver and gold in a furnace?] of silver: and He shall purify THE SONS OF LEVI, and purge them AS gold and silver, [why? for the fun of torturing them for all eternity? No, read on...] that they may offer unto the Lord an OFFERING IN RIGHTEOUSNESS!
Oh how so many Christians despise these marvelous words of God! God's judgments bring RIGHTEOUSNESS, NOT ETERNAL TORTURE! That's SATANIC! God IS righteous and when our Righteous God brings judgment upon the world, they TOO will become righteous! Sure they will. The fires of God's spiritual furnace will PURGE AND PURIFY all mankind. We read of it EVERYWHERE in His Word:
"...For when thy [God's] JUDGMENTS are in the earth, the INHABITANTS OF THE WORLD will learn RIGHTEOUSNESS" (Isa. 26:9).
And so, if I may borrow your words, "TRY THAT ON FOR SIZE"!!
Sincerely,
Ray
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