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nightmare sasuke:
--- Quote from: nightmare sasuke ---Here's what I emailed Ray:
From my current understanding, Jonah was conscious while in the fish that swallowed him (Jon 2:1). This parable, however, was a type (shadow) of, or, rather, foreshadowed Christ's experience and death. However, my questions are these:
If Jonas was conscious for his experience in the fish, then how come Jesus was not conscious for the three days he was dead and in hades? How is the three days (not counting the three nights) of death of the heart of the earth painful as compared with Jonah's conscious experience? Lastly, if Jesus had a spiritual body “in the beginning,� then when he died, how did he die a normal human death and go to hades? Did God convert his spiritual body into a regular ruach when He impregnated Mary?
PS. Is Jonah praying inside the fish (Jon 2:1) foreshadowing Christ's painful prayer in the garden? I think I see a connection.
Thank you. God bless.
- Zach Blaesi (Nightmare Sasuke)
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Dear Zachary:
Too big a subject for an email. I will write a paper on this in the future, but not today. Hope you understand. This is not a priority with me at this time.
God be with you,
Ray
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We'll have to keep an eye out for his paper!
Mickyd:
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Did he preach to spirits in prison BEFORE or AFTER his death? Ask yourself that. Now, what does prison mean?
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Both....I believe that spiritually, prision means the same as bondage. He always preached to those in bondage to the Babylonian system, both before and after his death.....and still does for those who listen.
nightmare sasuke:
--- Quote from: Mickyd ---
--- Quote from: nightmare sasuke ---
Did he preach to spirits in prison BEFORE or AFTER his death? Ask yourself that. Now, what does prison mean?
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Both....I believe that spiritually, prision means the same as bondage. He always preached to those in bondage to the Babylonian system, both before and after his death.....and still does for those who listen.
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Yeah. I got the feeling that other guy was suggesting Jesus was conscious after death and, literally, preached to dead spirits in prison.
Lightseeker:
nightmare sasuke
--- Quote ---Did he preach to spirits in prison BEFORE or AFTER his death? Ask yourself that . Now, what does prison mean?
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Actually I was asking myself that question many years ago Nitemare. I think it was 'during' his death. I believe His body was in the tomb paying the price for sin which is death, but his spirit (which can't die) went and preached to the spirits who were in prison...just like the bible says IMO.
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does that 'other guy' have a name? Are you inferring me? If yes, why such an impersonal comment? Seems a little cold to me. Have I offended you?
mustardseed:
First of all, the Bible doesn't mean what it says...it means what it means.
Act 2:16 but this is that which hath been spoken through the prophet Joel:
Act 2:17 And it shall be in the last days, saith God, I will pour forth of my Spirit upon all flesh: And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 Yea and on my servants and on my handmaidens in those days Will I pour forth of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy.
Act 2:19 And I will show wonders in the heaven above, And signs on the earth beneath; Blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke:
Act 2:20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, And the moon into blood, Before the day of the Lord come, That great and notable day.
Peter was quoting Joel.(Joel 2:28-32) And he said that was it. The things Peter spoke of didn't literally occur that day....physically...but they certainly did spiritually. The sun was not darkened nor did the moon turn to blood...literally. Peter understood it spiritually. It's the same with Jonah. Jonah was just the type just as Joseph was the type of Christ standing before Pharoh, the type of the Father. You can't transpose the literal scenarios of the types to fit the actual prophesied events. The types are mere shadows of better things to come and not the very image of the things. (Heb. 10:1)
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