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mharrell08:

--- Quote from: Ninny on September 02, 2009, 02:59:43 PM ---Thanks, Kat! Great as usual!! :D
I want to remind you guys that Ryan is young and in our immaturity sometimes we ask questions that may seem a no brainer to older people and people who have had a lot of education in the Bible. To younger folks like our young Ryan who does not have an extensive background in religious or spiritual training some of these questions may really be legitimate, so I would ask you to please be gentle and remember from whence we all came..WE all need to remember that God is a tender and compassionate Father who takes us all under His wings and protects us and loves us with an extreme love... Let your love shine out!!!  :D
Kathy ;) :-*

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Kathy,

Ryan made the following statement:


--- Quote from: TheRysta on September 02, 2009, 01:03:26 PM ---Ray has said that the bible has said that God has said that we are said to need to find our own personal salvations.
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And he was simply asked where he read or heard Ray make this statement...the question has nothing to do with his level of maturity.

In his past posts, Ryan has been able to explain, in clear detail, worldly philosophies that have no spiritual edification (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,10232.msg87415.html#msg87415)...I would think he could at least reference 1 direct statement from Ray.

But my main intent was this: A lot of times, a person's misunderstanding about the scriptures arise because of misinformation..for example, a person 'thinks' a scripture says one thing, they formulate all these unscriptural ideas & doctrines from that false belief, and then when they actually read the passages again & pay attention to the words, all the false ideas and misunderstandings go away.

If Ryan was simply allowed to answer, and had to seek out where he 'thought' Ray made a similar statement, he might have noticed that Ray said no such thing, though it might have 'sounded' similar. This could help Ryan to 'pay attention to all the words' in the future.

That was all...sometimes a question is just a question; other times it is a means to HELP someone better understand a situation. I knew Ryan was referring to Phil 2:12-13 but it was obvious that he had not paid attention to all the words in the scripture nor where Ray taught on it. I was only hoping Ryan would look back to those passages and Ray's teachings and pay attention, in detail, in order to answer for himself.

The forum is to help & edify one another in the truth...though we do it in different ways.


Thanks,

Marques

Ninny:
Marques,
Point taken, and understood!
Kathy ;)

TheRysta:
"In his past posts, Ryan has been able to explain, in clear detail, worldly philosophies that have no spiritual edification (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,10232.msg87415.html#msg87415)...I would think he could at least reference 1 direct statement from Ray."

Attempting to identify the nature and origin of sin?

Oh yes, I'm sure that's a very 'worldly' philosophy.

mharrell08:

--- Quote from: TheRysta on September 03, 2009, 07:41:08 AM ---Attempting to identify the nature and origin of sin?

Oh yes, I'm sure that's a very 'worldly' philosophy.
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1 Cor 2:9-14  But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

  For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

When attempting to understand the spiritual with carnal ideas/thoughts then YES, it is wordly philosophy

Matt 15:8  This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

Matt 15:17-20  Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.

For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man

Jer 17:9  The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?


Marques

P.S. Did you find the statement from Ray that you referenced in your first post of this thread?

TheRysta:
No, I didn't. But I also did not start this thread with a broken purpose, I know it was somewhere.

To put it bluntly, the idea I am trying to propose is that salvation is unique to the individual, and not a set phenomenon.

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