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wonderment:
Hello there, my account got approved today so now I can finally ask what I've always wanted to ask after following the bibletruths.com sight for so many years.
This is going to sound really really stupid in light of what forum I am asking this on and all but...
What exactly does it mean that Jesus Christ died for my sins? I know it means that he paid the price or it was to save us from sin and death or whatever but I still don't get why he had to die the way he did? What does it mean?
I feel stupid for never truly understanding it.
musicman:
He's the real sacrifice for all mankind and their sins. There is no more reason to sacrifice bulls and such. I believe those sacrifices were for the soul purpose of being forgiven. Basically they were a type for the ultimate sacrifice so that all may be forgiven and ultimately saved after our sins are removed. So Christ's sacrifice does not remove our sins. It just makes it possible for them to be removed eventually. We have been forgiven for them though.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: wonderment on September 07, 2009, 08:11:25 PM ---What exactly does it mean that Jesus Christ died for my sins? I know it means that he paid the price or it was to save us from sin and death or whatever but I still don't get why he had to die the way he did? What does it mean?
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John 15:12-13 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends
1 John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
John 10:14-16 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Rom 5:6-8 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
It means God is love...Our Father in Heaven, through His Son Jesus, talks the talk AND walks the walk.
Marques
P.S. Welcome to the forum Wonderment :)
Kat:
Hi Wonderment,
Welcome to the forum :)
Here is an excerpt from the 2006 Mobile Conference transcript WHAT IS "THE FATHER'S WILL?"
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3720.msg27963.html#msg27963 ---
Phil. 2: 7-8 “But He made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant, and was made [emptied Himself of His glory and privileges] in the likeness of men. And being found in fashion as a man, He humbled Himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also has high exalted Him, and given Him a name which is above every name.”
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting (Eonian) life."
Why did God do that? And why did Christ volunteer to go to the cross? Well I’ve been told all my life that He died for my sins. But did He have to? Did He have to die for our sins? Is there no way to pardon sins, out of His love and mercy? Couldn’t He say, 'okay you have sinned, but I pardon you.' After all what is grace.
Eph 2:8 “For by grace you have been saved through faith.”
Grace will save you, so why die? Did Christ have to die? Why did God want to die? Why would God want to become a man? When I say God I’m talking about Jehovah, Jesus Christ. Did the Father ‘make’ His Son Jesus die? Did He ‘take’ His Son’s life? NO!
John 10:17 For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it up again.
v. 18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from My Father."
Jesus VOLUNTEERED HIS LIFE for us !!! While we were yet sinners (Rom. 5:08). What the law couldn’t do and we couldn’t do, CHRIST DID (Rom. 8:3).
We must experience sin before we can be saved from it! How did Elohim come to a knowledge of “good and evil?” We aren’t told.
Why did God want to become a man and die? Well there are a number of reasons. Jesus Christ is the First fruit, He is the Word, He is the Creator of all and so on. He made this human race and He gave them (all with the direction of the Father - Elohim) an experience of evil, which is not a nice thing. God did not say there is nothing wrong with evil, just sit back and enjoy it, He doesn’t talk like that.
Eze 33:11 “Say to them: As I live, says the Lord Jehovah, I have no delight in the death of the wicked,”
God made us, He put us through it, but we will never in all eternity, be able to have a one-upmanship over God, by saying you don’t know what it’s like. It’s already decided. First of all, God gave up His Son, and for any of you that are parents, it is harder to give up a son than it is to give up yourself.
Now Christ is the actual Creator, He reduced Himself down to the very humans He made, to be just like them. Except He had the Spirit of God. So He came down to show us how to live as a human being, under all the duress, stress, and mess and He did it humbly and perfectly.
So He set us an example and He could have stopped there. He could say I went through hunger, they tried to throw me off cliffs, they slapped Me, they mocked Me. They put spears in My side and He could have zapped them in a second. He let them do that for 33 years and never fought back, and never had a evil thought against them.
He showed you how to live and He could have quit. But after He did all that, He said now I’m going to die for you, because I love you. Think about it, He didn’t have to die, nobody took His life. He said I lay down My life and “no one takes it from Me,” (John 10:18). He died to prove to us that He loves us. He didn’t have to, He just did it. So we would know that He loves us. We can’t say, but our Creator had it made in the shade, no. He came down and was under the same temptations, under the same rules and regulations and then He went to the cross and died, voluntarily. He says in effect, if that doesn’t show that I love you, I don’t know what else I can do.
So that’s what He did and that’s why He died, because He loved us and He wanted to prove it. So He died for our sins. God accepted that for a sacrifice, but it was a voluntary sacrifice. It wouldn’t have needed to be done, they did it that way, but it didn’t need to be done that way.
They (Israelites) were forgiven for a whole year, just by the sprinkling of a goat’s blood, in the Holy place on the Day of Pentecost. But Christ wanted to prove to the human race that He was every bit as good of a man, as any other man was. He doesn’t sit in His ivory tower telling us how great He is. He did it as a man. God became a man and died, because He loves His creation and He wanted us to know He loves us.
This is awesome stuff. It’s like a fairytale from Greek mythology, but it’s not, it the Bible.
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Here is all of the 2006 Mobile Conference on audio, I believe that excerpt came from the first audio.
Saturday morning part #1: http://bible-truths.com/audio/Nash08ConfSession1.mp3
Saturday morning part #2: http://bible-truths.com/audio/Nash08ConfSession2.mp3
Saturday morning part #3: http://bible-truths.com/audio/Nash08ConfSession3.mp3
Saturday morning part #4: http://bible-truths.com/audio/Nash08ConfSession4.mp3
Saturday morning part #5: http://bible-truths.com/audio/Nash08ConfSession5.mp3
Saturday morning part #6: http://bible-truths.com/audio/Nash08ConfSession6.mp3
Saturday afternoon part #7: http://bible-truths.com/audio/Nash08ConfSession7.mp3
Sunday morning part #8A: http://bible-truths.com/audio/Nash08ConfSession8A.mp3
Sunday morning part #8B: http://bible-truths.com/audio/Nash08ConfSession8B.mp3
Sunday morning part #9: http://bible-truths.com/audio/Nash08ConfSession9.mp3
Sunday morning part #10: http://bible-truths.com/audio/Nash08ConfSession10.mp3
mercy, peace and love
Kat
eggi:
Hi all! Interesting question this one. Not a stupid question at all! It's an important question, since we are repeatedly brainwashed by Christendom saying that Jesus HAD TO DIE, because of our sins. I'm thinking that He learned from what He suffered here in this world, the Scriptures says He was perfected. That might have been before His life as a man, I'm not 100% sure. Anyway it's like Ray said, He did it to show us love and compassion. It's a lie of the Devil that since Christ died for us we don't need any works, just faith. So many people are preaching that these days. Important question and answers. God bless you all! Eirik
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