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Marky Mark:

--- Quote from: Roy Coates on September 13, 2009, 05:01:07 PM ---some around hear were also pushing Ransey's program. Ramsey's makes some good points that can be had for free on the internet, quicken and Microsoft money. I asked "If it is biblical then why does he charge 90 bucks?" "For production cost's of coarse" "Bull" I replied. Materialism is what drives Ramsey's program. Nothing wrong with being penny wise, put pepole are paying him(he gets rich) so that they can get rich(envy) it all stunk when it was pushed at my local church(i left) not one person that I know reported financial gain or financial security from that program. I do know that scripture says "Money is the root of all evil" I take that to heart. I think the pulpits push so ignorantly cause if the congregation makes more money then the church will make more money. Falls in line with their tithing guilt and greed methods. As for your technical question, looks like Mark covered that. I just had to rant. And I know I am preaching to the choir. Peace

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  Roy,I think Ray covers all bases here :o ;) :D


http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3162.0.html 

Dear Reader In Kentucky:
    There is not one single Scripture in the entirety of the Bible that commands, suggests, or hints that anyone should be giving these two-faced, lying, deceiving, hypocritical, widow robbing, worldly, materialistic, social climbing, vain, egotistical, morally bankrupt heretics,  blasphemers, false prophets, scam artists, and religious charlatans, a single penny in the name of firstfruits, secondfruits, or any other kind of seed offering or money making scam! These flim-flam, carnivall barking, extortionists will all be "cast in prison" in Judgment and will not come out until they "...have paid [back] the UTTERMOST farthing [of fraudulent and extorted money]"  (Matt. 5:26).
     
    So the answer is, "No, it's not Scriptural."
     
    God be with you
    Ray



Peace...Mark

EKnight:
Yes Dave, that thought (talents=money) occurred to me too.  But then quote the bible correctly pastor and let the reader decide if the two are the same thing.  And yes, most of the time its in parable form.  But even using the word talents and money, how many times does Jesus use the terms in a positive light? and does Jesus really mention it more times than that of heaven or hell (kingdom of God/hades)? 

Eileen

Dave in Tenn:
"...and does Jesus really mention it more times than that of heaven or hell (kingdom of God/hades)?"

I don't know.  You asked for info to put to them.  Ray has done a lot of work already in the whole 'how many times Jesus talked about Hell over Heaven' debacle in the letters to either Hagee or the other preacher (whose name I can never remember).

I should think a read through of the Gospels Red-Letter sections with a 'liberal' interpretation of whether or not He is speaking about money should give you 'numbers' to compare.  It shouldn't take all that long, if you want to do it.

Just advise, even if it's no help. 

 

Roy Coates:
Ray has said " If fundemental/orthodox Christianity teaches it, it is not true" paraphrased of coarse but I am really taking a hard look at things with this in mind. The more I look and learn the more I discover it to be true. Off the top I say false. More study is needed to say for sure.

daywalker:

--- Quote from: EKnight on September 13, 2009, 04:20:07 PM ---
If I did this correctly, and I am just a nobody who does not teach nor preach, and I could get this information, how could a pastor/theologian be so mistaken? 

Eileen

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How can pastors/theologians teach that there's a [singular] place called Hell, when it's translated from 4 [plural] words?

How can pastors/theologians teach that Satan used to be a 'beautiful angel' when the Bible says he's a 'serpent'?

How can pastors/theologians teach that God is a "trinity" when the Bible says 'there is one God, the Father'?

etc, etc...

Whether they're 'blinded' or 'deceived' or 'ignorant' or 'willfully ignorant' or 'deceivers'... it's all the same:


Ezekiel 14:9 Yea the prophet himself when he suffereth himself to be deceived, and speaketh a word, Yahweh have suffered that prophet to be deceived, Then will I stretch forth my hand against him, and destroy him out of the midst of my people. Israel:

I Kings 22:22 And Yahweh said unto him—Wherewith? And he said—I will go forth, and become a spirit of falsehood in the mouth of all his prophets,—So he said,—Thou mayest persuade, yea and prevail, go forth, and do so.
23 Now, therefore, lo! Yahweh hath suffered a spirit of falsehood to be put into the mouth of all these thy prophets. But, Yahweh himself, hath spoken concerning thee, calamity.

II Thessalonians 2:10 And with all manner of deceit of unrighteousness, in them who are destroying themselves, because, the love of the truth, they did not welcome, that they might be saved;—
11 And, for this cause, God sendeth them an inworking of error, to the end they should believe in the falsehood,—
12 In order that should be judged who would not believe in the truth, but were well-pleased with the unrighteousness.


Jeremiah 5:31 The prophets, have prophesied, falsely, And the priests tread down by their means, And, my people, love it, so,—What then can ye do as to her latter end?



It's easier to repeat a lie than to dig for the truth.

Daywalker  8)

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