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Suffering vs Suffering for Christ
Murithi:
Hello Dave,
I think i am going ahead of my time with this bacause i meant first to introduce myself later in the week but; felt i could say something.
Though not readily quoting the scriptures (many know them and will assist by filing in) but it about burnt offerings/sacrifices. If the Levite Prepared a good burnt offering but used fire that came NOT from the Altar then that sacrifice was inacceptable to God because it was the Altar fire that was intended for such sacrifices that they may be pleasing to God.
Secondly another scripture(s) in the New Testament says the sufferings we undergo are that which other humans normally undergo but ours are not in vain because we suffer IN Christ Jesus.
Our suffrerings, trials are purposeful and this is evidenced by the fruit it produces. It is all ordained by our Saviour.
You will see that this is the reason Christ suffered: To ordain the suffering of His saints (that is also His Suffering) and change us.
If Christ didnt suffer no amount of suffering would be saving us.
When we ourselves were babes in Christ we suffered but the fruits came with the Spirit. We now dont suffer in vain. No.
THE FIRE HAD TO COME FROM THE ALTER itSELF.
Somebody put on the scriptures if this really helps.
I will still introduce myself and enjoy the sweet welcoming.
Thanks.
Murithi.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Murithi on September 16, 2009, 10:56:21 AM ---Hello Dave,
I think i am going ahead of my time with this bacause i meant first to introduce myself later in the week but; felt i could say something.
Though not readily quoting the scriptures (many know them and will assist by filing in) but it about burnt offerings/sacrifices. If the Levite Prepared a good burnt offering but used fire that came NOT from the Altar then that sacrifice was inacceptable to God because it was the Altar fire that was intended for such sacrifices that they may be pleasing to God.
Secondly another scripture(s) in the New Testament says the sufferings we undergo are that which other humans normally undergo but ours are not in vain because we suffer IN Christ Jesus.
Our suffrerings, trials are purposeful and this is evidenced by the fruit it produces. It is all ordained by our Saviour.
You will see that this is the reason Christ suffered: To ordain the suffering of His saints (that is also His Suffering) and change us.
If Christ didnt suffer no amount of suffering would be saving us.
When we ourselves were babes in Christ we suffered but the fruits came with the Spirit. We now dont suffer in vain. No.
THE FIRE HAD TO COME FROM THE ALTER itSELF.
Somebody put on the scriptures if this really helps.
I will still introduce myself and enjoy the sweet welcoming.
Thanks.
Murithi.
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Hello Murithi,
Welcome to the forum :)
I highlighted a section from your comments...what scriptures are you referring to when you stated that Christ's suffering was needed to 'ordain' our suffering? Or that if Christ did not suffer then 'no amount of suffering' would save us?
Thanks,
Marques
Dave in Tenn:
Welcome, Murthi. Thank you for that. That's very much what I was trying to say in content, but without your sweetness and beautiful scriptural foreshadowing/teaching/parable.
It's a question of cart and horse to me talking about suffering persecution. We don't suffer persecution in order to follow Christ. We follow Christ and will suffer persecution--sometimes, as, when, and to the extent He desires. What good does it do to give up your body to be burned if you don't have Love? Love, and you'll get all the persecution you can handle. Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and all these other things will be added unto you.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: NoviceBeliever on September 17, 2009, 01:20:01 PM ---(Php 4:10 YLT) And I rejoiced in the Lord greatly, that now at length ye flourished again in caring for me, for which also ye were caring, and lacked opportunity;
(Php 4:11 YLT) not that in respect of want I say it , for I did learn in the things in which I am--to be content;
(Php 4:12 YLT) I have known both to be abased, and I have known to abound; in everything and in all things I have been initiated, both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to be in want.
(Php 4:13 YLT) For all things I have strength, in Christ's strengthening me;
(Php 4:14 YLT) but ye did well, having communicated with my tribulation;
(1Pe 5:10 YLT) And the God of all grace, who did call you to His age-during glory in Christ Jesus, having suffered a little, Himself make you perfect, establish, strengthen, settle you ;
--- End quote ---
Thank you for those scriptures Jill...I was originally confused with Murithi's words, you've helped clear that up. :)
Marques
Ninny:
JL, Thank you for this topic..I have been blessed...
Kathy :-*
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