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Eternal Life not promised?
hillsbororiver:
There is a difference between immortal and eternal, if God were to create an immortal creature today, he would not be "eternal" only the Father is eternal "without beginning, without end" eternal means to have always existed when using it in relation to God.
Back to this verse;
1Jo 2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal166 life, (KJV)
G166
αἰώνιος
aiōnios
ahee-o'-nee-os
Rotherham's version;
1Jo 2:25 And this is the promise unto us, The age abiding life.
chrissiela:
Yes Joe, I am not arguing against that.
I only said that they were the "same" IN THAT they both come by and through Jesus Christ... not that they could necessarily be used interchangeably (which is the very reason that the reply confused me).
The promise, to which you and I both reference from the same verse of scripture, is for aionios life. Right? Not "athanasia" (which means deathlessness or immortality)?
Do all receive immortality?
Do all receive eternal life?
While surely we have an implied promise of immortality (or deathlessness), even though it is not expressly stated... there is an expressed promise that is made "to us" of eternal/aionios/age-abiding life….
So it was a bit confusing, at first, to read:
--- Quote ---But NO ONE will be given "eternal life," as it is nowhere promised in Scripture. What is promised is "immortality."
--- End quote ---
Even though the word is improperly translated the promise is there and it is for eternal/aionios/age-abiding life… and not immortality (as expressly stated).
Now maybe Ray addressed the implied promise of immortality because the question was will ALL be saved and will ALL receive eternal life.
And the answer, then, may be that while not all receive the promise of eternal/aionios/age-abiding life, ALL will receive immortality.
It was just confusing… the mixing of the two when, as you say, they are not the same and yet the there is a promise of both (one expressly made to some and one implied to all)….
I’m sorry I found the answer confusing, but I did. That’s why I asked. And I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but I don’t think that I am stupid or at all unfamiliar with the scriptures. So if I found it confusing I would be willing to bet that others did as well.
I hope that the discussion over it, here, might help clear up any confusion that may have existed.
I’m certainly not trying to ADD to it. :oops:
Blessings,
Chrissie
hillsbororiver:
Chrissie,
I understand your point, sometimes things (for me) are not very easily understood. At times I become my own stumbling block, especially when my in my zeal for understanding His Word borders on hyperactivity. That is my problem at times, often I feel like a kid in an amusement park, wanting to run off in 20 directions at the same time because I want it all (knowledge) now!
Thanks,
Joe
chrissiela:
Hi Joe!
Now that I can relate too!! :D
Chrissie
jerreye:
Hi Harryfeat,
You wrote:
--- Quote ---If you are getting your opinion regardless of translation then I assume you must be reading in the original greek. I wonder if this might have been the same process that was used to create the vulgate.
--- End quote ---
I think you missed my point. I am not "reading in the original Greek". My "opinion" that the Greek word "AIDIOS" (uses only a couple of times in scripture) cannot mean "Everlasting" comes from Jude 1:6. We know that these "chains" are only UNTIL the Judgment. Something cannot be "never-ending" and at the same time "come to an end". If this is how we are to use language, then we might as well start communicating by barking like dogs! :lol:
For your review, please read Jude 1:6 again:
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting [GK: "AIDIOS"...IMPERCEPTIBLE] chains under darkness [spiritual darkness of having NO TRUTH] UNTO (UNTIL) the judgment of the great day.
Now, WHY are they in imperceptible chains (which hold them in SPIRITUAL bondage so that they CANNOT understand the TRUTH and be HEALED) UNTIL (and only UNTIL) the Judgment? Because the "imperceptible chains" will be BROKEN at that time. The judgment will BE their salvation and it is where and HOW they will LEARN righteousness...AT THE JUDGMENT. :D
Isaiah 26:9 And when Thy JUDGMENTS are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will LEARN (not burn) RIGHTEOUSNESS"
...it will be no difference with the angels, including Satan, the Devil.
CAN something that is "AIDIOS" (imperceptible) BE imperceptible FOREVER? SURE, in theory! No argument there.
Based on Jude 1:6, I can scripturally conclude (not based on various lexicons or concordances, but based on scriptural USAGE) that this word AIDIOS, doesn't directly speak of duration or time, but rather, "imperceptibility".
Cheers,
Jeremy
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