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Eternal Life not promised?
Daniel:
Chrissie,
I'm seeing this is Gods own record itself based on the very thing, "eternal life". Its to know God. Our hope and our desire and the perfect come.
1John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.[/u]
Supposed to be "in us"
John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
1John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.[/u]
There are verses that its the very record itself (gotta get them)
Perhaps Ray is speaking of eternal life in another way? I'm not too sure. Scripture shows this is the very record to be believed upon. Then ofcourse it speaks on not believing that record.
Not sure what he is talking about :? Perhaps an honest mistake.
Peace Daniel
Daniel:
Man you guys are fast! I thought it was an honest mistake :lol:
My verses says is "eternal life", Ray translates "knowing God" as "age abiding" life.
Yes, we are given to know the Father, His love and nothing can separate us from His love. Neither life nor death for both our indeed ours in Him.
Great job deedle, clear that up before it becomes a stir :lol:
Peace
Daniel
chrissiela:
--- Quote from: bobf ---Ray is saying there is no such thing in scriptures as ETERNAL life, its aionion life. ETERNAL is bad translating.
EDIT: well I see Deedle already pointed this out.
--- End quote ---
Yes, I see that now, Bob. Thanks!
I wasn't even thinking of that... already understanding what "eternal life" is. To me, though, his statment is confusing. Because those who DO NOT know what "eternal life" is will call him a liar (as it is plainly stated as "eternal life" in many translations) and even those who DO know what it is (like me) might overlook what he is saying/meaning.
If he has mentioned "aionios" it might have made his answer a bit clearer. As he does acknowledge that most use the KJV - as does he (for this very reason) in his articles.
Had I thought about it longer perhaps it would have come to me, but I couldn't for the life of me (pun intended :wink: ) figure out what he meant by that. :oops:
Blessings,
Chrissie
hillsbororiver:
Yes, I believe Deedle has it, eternal comes to us from the middle English by way of middle French originating from late Latin. One of the primary definitions is "of infinite duration" only One can make that claim, without beginning, without end.
In faith we can all claim eventual immortality, never again to die.
Joe
chrissiela:
Not trying to cause a 'stir'... :oops:
Chrissie
(I know that's not what you were saying, Daniel, just want to be clear anyway.) :wink:
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