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Eternal Life not promised?
gmik:
--- Quote from: Daniel ---Amen Chrissie and Deedle :lol:
Psalm 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
Gen 1:5 the darkness he called Night
1John 2:8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, "which thing" is true "in him" and "in you" because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
1Thes 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
Yesterday (as a thousand years) or the "watch" in "the night" has past when the dead hear His voice in the "To day".
Peace
Daniel
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1Thess 5:5-ll (Paraphrased) We are not of the NIGHT, Let us not SLEEP AS others do....they that SLEEP are drunk....Let us be of the DAY, be sober and vigilant...not to wrath but to obtain salvation!.....
But WHETHER .. we wake or sleep...WE SHOULD LIVE TOGETHER...wherefore COMFORT one another......
Don't know if this fits in here but I just love this!! Got it from the Tamar study over on Mike's site.
hillsbororiver:
This is going to be real short as I have my back against the wall time wise.
Consider this thought if you will, how can one be "resurrected" if one was not alive in the first place? How can someone be in the 1st resurrection unto life if they were not dead to the flesh and living in His spirit first?
This business of the thousand years being now (or in each individual's life)I believe is a mistake, those that are the called (but not chosen) and the unbelievers are not yet spiritually alive (walking dead spiritually), that is why when they are brought out of thier graves they are of the 2nd (continued) death, the Lake of Fire.
Christ was very much alive in spirit (our example) during His time on earth, yet He experienced physical death (unless you do not believe He really "died" for our sins) He experienced the sleep of death, but will anyone argue he was not of the Spirit?
Those who die that are dead spiritually will be raised spiritually dead, those who have died to the flesh living this life spiritually will be (brought back to the life they were growing in) re-erected (resurrected) to continue in the spiritual life, this time in a spiritual, immortal, incorruptable body.
My point is that the 1st resurrection is only for those who experienced (were brought to) spiritual life while still physically in the flesh, whatever generation they happened to live in, to be awakened to life once more with a spiritual body like our Lord's to rule and minister with Him unto the salvation of all mankind.
Got to go but am VERY interested in any and all comments.
Peace,
Joe
chrissiela:
--- Quote ---This is going to be real short as I have my back against the wall time wise.
Consider this thought if you will, how can one be "resurrected" if one was not alive in the first place?
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Exactly, Joe. But are any of us “alive� (spiritually speaking) until we are “raised from the dead�?
Joh 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.[/list:u]
We have to awake from our ‘sleep’ (death) so that we CAN “live�.
Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.[/list:u]
Only the elect/chosen ARE in the “first resurrection�. But is not being resurrected passing from death unto life?
No, unbelievers are not yet spiritually alive (that makes them ‘dead’, does it not? Being that they “have no life� in them?
Where does it say that one has to be “re-erected�? Or that one has to be brought to life “once more�?
Certainly we have to shed these bodies of flesh, but we can indeed walk in the spirit and NOT in the flesh even while we are in them. Do the scriptures not tell us this?
I’m short on time, too, got a niece’s birthday party to go to.
Maybe I can add more later. :?:
Good scriptures Gena! Absolutely relevant!!
Blessings ALL,
Chrissie
rocky:
We all agree that the revelation of Christ is, was and will be. Then why isn't the resurrection "is" for those Christ has revealed himself to. Why do those who he has revealed himself to have to wait for the "will be", for their resurrection??
Joh 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Jesus is the resurrection. He was the resurrection, he is the resurrection, and he will be the resurrection.
Seems to me, to always be looking for a future resurrection is to deny the "is" part of Christ. He is the resurrection, to those he has revealed himself to.
jerreye:
Hi Rocky,
I believe that we DO have "the resurrection" and "the life"....all of which is Jesus Christ! BUT, we only have it in earnest (down-payment) - 2 Cor 1:22. Because we HAVE Christ does not mean that we are already "resurrected from the dead".
The FULLNESS comes in the actual resurrection, which is in the future.
We should't be guilty (I am not saying you are 8) ) of "overthrowing the faith of some", as Paul put it:
"...who strayed concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past; and they overthrow the faith of some (2 Timothy 2:18).
The resurrection has NOT taken place. Paul makes it clear that it is in the future.
God Bless,
Jeremy
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