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Eternal Life not promised?
jerreye:
Hi Rocky,
I agree with you :)
Jesus WAS the resurrection, Jesus IS the resurrection and Jesus WILL BE the resurrection. He also is the LIFE and the TRUTH. But my point is, is that even though this is all true, it doesn't mean that WE have been already "resurrected" (past OR present). We WILL BE resurrected, but not until the future when we are awaken from our "sleep of death".
This happens at the last trump that Paul spoke about when the DEAD in Christ are risen first, THEN we which are alive and remail at that time will be caught up in the air to meet them. This event has not taken place in the PAST and it isn't taking place NOW, but it WILL take place in the "WILL BE" future. This is the point I was trying to make. Isn't this what the scriptures teach?
Jeremy
rocky:
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.....Christ was very much alive in spirit (our example) during His time on earth, yet He experienced physical death (unless you do not believe He really "died" for our sins) He experienced the sleep of death, but will anyone argue he was not of the Spirit?
Joe
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Joe, was Christ's death physically what we have to physically go through in order to to be resurrected, or was Christ's physical death a representative of our spiritual death/death to self. A shadow of the spiritual in us???
So many things that happened during Christ's walk on the earth were physical events that have spiritual implication to us, ie: healing the sick, casting out demons, making lame walk, making blind sea, deaf hear etc.
Seems we could also look at the physical death of Christ as this too????
rocky:
--- Quote from: jerreye ---Hi Rocky,
I agree with you :)
Jesus WAS the resurrection, Jesus IS the resurrection and Jesus WILL BE the resurrection. He also is the LIFE and the TRUTH. But my point is, is that even though this is all true, it doesn't mean that WE have been already "resurrected" (past OR present). We WILL BE resurrected, but not until the future when we are awaken from our "sleep of death".
This happens at the last trump that Paul spoke about when the DEAD in Christ are risen first, THEN we which are alive and remail at that time will be caught up in the air to meet them. This event has not taken place in the PAST and it isn't taking place NOW, but it WILL take place in the "WILL BE" future. This is the point I was trying to make. Isn't this what the scriptures teach?
Jeremy
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Why does awaken from our "sleep of death" have to be physical????
jerreye:
Oh, but it isn't It is a spiritual resurrection.
There is a physical body (which we have NOW) and there is a spiritual body (when does this happen?). Do you now posses your spiritual body, Rocky, or will this happen in the future, at THE resurrection?
rocky:
--- Quote from: jerreye ---Hi Rocky,
I agree with you :)
..... This event has not taken place in the PAST and it isn't taking place NOW, but it WILL take place in the "WILL BE" future. This is the point I was trying to make. Isn't this what the scriptures teach?
Jeremy
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I am not sure that it is what scriptures teach, because you have left out "is". You say that Jesus/resurection is not in the past, and is not now but only future.
Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, by (grace ye are saved;)
Eph 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
Jerry, I do see your side too, I see a lot of logic to what you say, but I also see spiritual implications to "dead in Christ are made alive, raised up now".
I'll take a breather, sit back and listen some more. God bless.
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