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Cry for the Victims
mongoose:
Sandy, I agree with you. Jesus loves both the victims of terrorism and the terrorists and the military and all of us. I am saddened by every death that results from both military actions and terrorism and other acts of violence. How sad is it that people just don't understand a better way. I was heartbroken on 9/11 as we all were. I used to live in New York and had been to the world trade center many times and have a relative working at the pentagon (who survived). I was horrified to see the pictures of people rejoicing at those deaths. But I was also very upset when Saddam Hussain's sons and grandson were killed in a firefight and saw people here in the us cheering their deaths standing in front of churches. Yes, they did a lot of horrible things but they were someone's child. I couldn't help but think about how it might feel to have your children killed and watch other people celebrate those deaths. I am against war personally but the military personnel are doing what they were ordered by their country and what they think is right. We can still love the people while not liking the war. It all boils down to this for me: every one of those individuals is one of God's precious children and some other human being's son or daughter. Their deaths, whether through terrorism or war, will break hearts. Yet, since God works everything after the council of His will, this must too be part of His plan and all those involved are there because they are supposed to be. How can anyone condem them for being as they must be? It makes me sad to see all the pain and suffering that goes on in the world but knowing that God will ultimately work even these things for good and everyone will learn His truth makes me hopeful and full of joy. Knowing that and remembering that this is all part of His plan allows me to try to accept what is going on as somehow necessary, try to see the other side of the story, and love those involved simply because they are His.
SandyFla:
Thank you all for your responses.
I think you pretty much got the idea of what I am trying to convey.
As some have asked, what would I do if someone were trying to kill my family? To simply let them do it because I must love my enemy would be akin to hating my family. I am supposed to love my family also by protecting them from those who would do them harm.
I Timothy 5:8 says: "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel." I believe that means we should not only provide for them monetarily, but also provide protection when needed.
Expanding that further, the military is trying to provide safety for the Iraqis and also for the rest of the world. If we can stabilize that country, it should have a profound effect on the rest of the Middle East.
The big question is, how far should we take "loving our enemies"? Should we continue allowing them to torture and kill people, or is stopping them (even if it means killing them) the more loving thing to do when you look at the big picture? Tough questions.
Actually, the answer is fairly easy.
love_magnified:
Mike talked about that. What if someone is attacking our family. If someone did that, I would start ministering to them, and offer myself in their place. If they persisted in harming them, I would take action. I don't think there is anything wrong with physically restraining someone, but taking action with a desire to kill them with bloodlust in our hearts is another matter. Knocking someone down and taking their weapon is not a matter of attempting to strike back at him out of revenge. You never know when God might use you in a situation like that. It would take God working through your flesh to do it.
rvhill:
Gandhi believed he could defeat even the likes of Hitler, with Non violent civil disobedience. Although, not with out many casualties. I am what is called a natural born killer. I don't really have any natural impulsion about not killing other people, and I even enjoy violence. On the other hand I seem to be blessed, and do not suffer from any of the motivation most people kill for. I don't seem to have greed or jealousy as a part of my make up. For me to kill or not to kill is a simple intellectual exercise. Killing someone is just like any other sin.
worm:
--- Quote from: SandyFla ---Expanding that further, the military is trying to provide safety for the Iraqis and also for the rest of the world. If we can stabilize that country, it should have a profound effect on the rest of the Middle East
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Sandy...what kinda reasoning is this?
the US military killing people to "make it safe for the Iraqis"...they are KILLING the Iraqis...how is that helping?
the US military is directly responsible for destabilising Iraq...it opened the door for all kinds of evils and terrorists and now the Iraqis are suffering even more! GREAT JOB America!
and how is the military making it safer for the world?
you really think the world is safer now?
maybe it is safe there on your couch in the USA...I don't see it happening anywhere else...
don't you know that violence breeds violence? it grows exponentially
and as for "doing favours for the rest of the world"...yes...THANK YOU America!...we have to pay 200% more for petrol/gas now that you've invaded Iraq...before the war crude oil was selling at $35 a barrel...now it is selling for over $72...how do you think this pans out in a 3rd world contry already struggling?
and for making the Middle East safe...safe for whom? for Israel?
that state of murderers who takes other people's land by force?
the children of Judah stealing the birthright of Joseph?
yes...I DO see God's hand in this...the Prophecies will finally be fulfilled...Jerusalem will soon be NO MORE...just like Sodom and Gemorra is NO MORE...and the Harlot will take all down with her
Sandy...this is a time for nations to repent...else all the war-mongers will meet the same fate...and all those nations will fall
EVERYONE...EVERY NATION that does not follow the Prince of Peace will meet the same doom...as they've brought judgement upon themselves
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