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Marky Mark:

--- Quote from: Roy Martin on October 13, 2009, 08:24:40 AM ---Thank you Mark. Gods word is Spirit, and the only way we can understand it is to be in Spirit. The only way we can be in Spirit is to have the Holy Spirit in us. Am I right about that?
 The people of the old testament didn't have the Holy Spirit yet the Spirit came upon them. The Spirit of the Lord spoke to many of that time.
 As I said, I'm just now getting into this study. There is much to read about this topic.
 Maybe in this same topic we can discuss the lieing spirit that God sends to the pastors and the people that are deceived.
These pastors, or at least most of them think they are lead by the Holy Spirit. We confront them and its as if we are butting heads with God Himself. In fact we are doing just that because it is God that blinded them with this deceiving spirit. To them it feels right according to the spirit they have in them, just as it feels right to us with the truth that we believe, yet we use to believe as they did. Is it possible that the whole world is mislead in some things? We wouldn't know it if we were if God sent the spirit to deceive us.
 All of this will tie in together of what I'm searching for. 
Roy

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Roy,you are correct.

Romans 8:9
9 You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

Ephesians 1:13–14
13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s


Absolutely.

2Th 2:11  And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Romans 1:28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,



Peace...Mark

kenny:

--- Quote from: Roy Martin on October 13, 2009, 07:15:37 AM ---John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name,He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I have said to you.
John 14:15
If you love Me keep My commandments, And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper that He may abide with you forever, the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him, but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

 This seems to be addressed to His Disciples because most of us in this world have to turn to men for truth.
I feel as if the Helper dwells in me. Something Spiritual definitely moves me and speaks to me and shows me things. Its when I can't understand what men are teaching that I rely on the Holy Spirit to clear it up for me of which sometimes is not what man teaches. I read a scripture without understanding. I study what man has to say about it and ask for help from others and get more scriptures tossed at me until I ask God, why is it that I have to depend on men to teach me when you promised the Holy Spirit to teach me, and dwell in me. I don't do this very often, in fact its only when I'm almost to the point of burnout of man's teachings and opinions that I do this, and when I do this it always seems to be answered, and gives me a feeling of being much more closer to God than before.
 I think about the day of Pentecost and how the disciples and all of those people that were filled with the Holy Spirit, and people thought they were drunk, and how the disciples before this didn't understand anything Jesus had spoke to them, and in a blink of an eye they knew the truth.
  I have never had that filled with the Holy Spirit as they received it, but my gosh I would love to have that.
  Well here I am asking for opinions again of which will and should lead me back to God for an understanding of what it is I'm seeking.
 If The Holy Spirit dwells in us, then why do we have to turn to man? I'm not referring to the bible of which is truth, but a mystery that only the Holy Spirit can reveal to us. Its all of mans teachings, even the scriptures that should lead us to that place where we want nothing less than the Holy Spirit to be our teacher. I am in no way putting any mans teachings down because I know that God uses everything to draw us to Him. I know He teaches us truth through men, but there is something in all mens teachings that draws us and connects us with the Holy Spirit to have that one on one, and not one on two.
 I have a lot of scriptures to read about The Holy Spirit when it came upon someone. In most cases it was something very supernatural. I have had a couple of overwhelming feelings of which I have no doubt was the Holy Spirit letting me know its presence. I know that all is of God and that He leads us here and there, and that His word can show up in many places and in and through people. I know His word is here, and in Ray, and in all of us. The disciples walked with Jesus about 3 years and in an instant got truth. Some of us have been walking with Him 1-40 years yet only have a little of the truth of which we have to study, ask people, and listen to preachers that mislead us. Some of us reach complete burnout looking for understanding and truth. I speak for myself when I say that all of this leads me to that point of saying, "God I have had enough of this, where is the Helper that you promised"?
Little by little He gives me some of it, and it is good for awhile then back on the merry go round then back to God. My question is, was the Holy Spirit promised to just the disciples? My heart says no, but I have never received it as they and all of those on the day of Pentecost. What is the promise for if we still have to turn to man for the truth, and in our case, just one man Ray?. Please don't anyone get beside themselves and think that that is a put down, because its not in any way, I assure you its a positive and legitimate statement and question. The verses do read as if they were just for the disciples, but it just doesn't feel right. I just don't know, but I have to know the truth.
 (The Spirit of Truth whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him.)
Peace
Roy

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Roy
don't get me wrong but i have to ask, have you waited in the city?

Roy Martin:
Kenny to answer your question as you know will require some searching on my part. Your tricky my friend, answering a question with a question. ;D

Roy

Marlene:
Roy, I have often thought the same things as you. Great post. The emails given here on this post answers many of my questions.

I know, for years God has been growing my faith in him. But, for years I did not understand much about why I was going through so many things.
But, now I know the purpose is for my good.

When, we were told my niece has cancer and I knew she needed our help. I prayed to God that I would get my disability, that I had waited for 3 and 1/2 years. I did not want it for selfish reasons. I knew she might need help and we needed a good car.  A couple weeks after that prayer I received a letter in the mail that my disabilty was approved and did not need a hearing. When, I got the letter I noticed that it had been decided a few weeks before we knew she had cancer. But, the timing of the letter was perfect. God caused me to pray this. He answered my prayer before I even prayed it.

This trial has really grown my faith in him. I trust him that no matter what he knows what is best.  We could not even believe in him without his Spirit.
He is with us rather we feel it or not. What, Ray has taught us about prayer is certainly coming true to me.  God was teaching me patience those years waiting on my disability and it came at Gods pefect time.

When, God shows us how involved he is in our life, that speaks volumes. You, know you have his Spirit when he builds your faith and you hate your sin.
He is working in us in many ways and sometimes it takes a while before we see it. Just, the fact that God led me in here and all the rest of us shows that he worked a miracle on us. I want to be healed from my sins. As for my Health, if he grants that it would be wonderful.

Last night, I had to thank him for all my blessings and how he has increased my faith. The peace he has given me that I never had while lost in the church system is amazing. So, I know the spirit is working in us. They all saw physical things such as healings and things. It is far greater when they can see God changing a person from there wicked ways.  

Great post and the emails from Ray are awesome.

In His Love
Marlene

Roy Martin:
I'm with you 100% Marlene.
 The church I came out of, and the people in it give the same testimonies as we do. They don't know and believe as we do,and nothing in the world except for God could convince them that they are lead by a spirit other than the Holy Spirit. They feel guilt and love and seek God and do all the same things that we do. The difference is that they believe what we believe to be a lie. They pray and testify that God laid it on their heart to do this or that. They believe that what we believe is a lie.
 There is nothing in a million years that could convince me to go back to the lies that the Pastor teaches.
Is anyone getting my point in this reply that makes me wonder who has the Holy Spirit. Them or us.
 We know some things they don't know, but does that mean they don't have the Holy Spirit?

Peace
Roy

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