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Do you believe in F R E E W I L L ?
Dave in Tenn:
--- Quote from: Lupac on December 22, 2009, 10:43:18 PM ---My question is, how do you respond to this? Thanks.
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Lupac, are you asking how what Ray teaches relates to this? Or are you asking how we might actually respond to the thread you referenced?
I'll leave the first possibility aside. There are already sufficient links in this thread to lead you deeper to Ray's teaching on the subject.
If, on the other hand, you are asking how we might actually respond to a thread on another website, my answer would be: I would not respond at all. If you are asking us to supply YOU with ammo or answers, I would respectfully answer that IF you have to ask us, you are not yet equipped to answer.
If I've misunderstood your question, I apologize.
Lupac:
No no, I wasn't even in that thread I posted here. It's old and locked. I was't looking for any "ammo", I was just wondering what a good responce would be. Thanks though.
Deborah-Leigh:
Hi Lupac
It is unwise to answer or respond to a fool who is not wanting to know the Truth, who is despising God and is not knowing either Gods Word or God’s Power. This is not an answer. It is an endorsement of wise council given to you by Dave of T.
To look deeper into what you brought to the BT Forum, it is very easy to see immediately that the author of the quotation you have posted has not grasped a basic fact about God’s Word. There are Twelve God-given Truths to understand His Word http://bible-truths.com/twelve.htm and the teaching in LOF part one needs to be assimilated. Ref quote,
The parables of Jesus are certainly true, but they are not literally true. unquote
God’s Word is NOT LITERAL. The author who’s quote you present here in the Forum, is looking at the Parable as a literal incident and is blind to the deeper meaning.
Psa 119:130 The entrance of Your Words gives light; it gives understanding to the simple.
There can be no understanding if one is to treat God’s Word as literal or carnal.
Joh 4:23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in SPIRIT AND TRUTH, for the Father seeks such to worship Him.
Joh 4:24 God is As SPIRIT, AND they who worship Him must worship in SPIRIT AND in TRUTH.
Joh 14:17 the SPIRIT of TRUTH, whom the world cannot receive because it does not see Him nor know Him. But you know Him, for He dwells with you and shall be in you.
The idol to the illusion that we have a free-will is a most vociferously, ruthlessly protected idol of the wicked heart.
1Ti 6:3 If anyone teaches otherwise, and does not consent to wholesome words (those of our Lord Jesus Christ), and to the doctrine according to godliness,
1Ti 6:4 he is proud, knowing nothing. He is sick concerning doubts and arguments, from which comes envy, strife, evil speakings, evil suspicions,
1Ti 6:5 meddling, of men whose minds have been corrupted and deprived of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness. Withdraw from such.
Lupac you know there is no such thing as free will.
2Ti 3:13 But evil men and seducers will go forward to worse, deceiving and being deceived.
2Ti 3:14 But CONTINUE IN THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE LEARNED AND HAVE BEEN ASSURED OF, knowing from whom you have learned…
Arc
Lupac:
--- Quote from: Lupac on December 22, 2009, 10:43:18 PM ---I hope nobody minds that I resurrects this topic. It's only a month old. :P Anyway, I don't know how many people here have ever been to the Tentmaker site, it's how I first found out about universal salvation. I hung around the forums for a while, but they were discussing things like, I don't know, Trinity vs. One God, theories about Revelation, etc. I didn't really know what to believe. One of them directed me here, and that's how I found Ray's site. One of the hotly debated topics, that was stopped right before I got there was free will vs. sovereignty. One of the admins, along with the founder (Gary... something.) both believe fervently in free will. I don't, being a former Calvinist, I never really believed in it. So Ray's teachings weren't really that big of a shock to me.
Getting to my point, and question, the reason the admin said he believed in "free will" was that, in his words, well, here's what he said:
--- Quote ---***No Outside Teaching***
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He was responding to someone saying that "free will" leads to an "incredibly dangerous mindset" and that Satan was the one who first told that lie. My question is, how do you respond to this? Thanks.
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Okay, that's it. Now, I'm just starting to get a little upset. I've searched through the forums. I've seen DOZENS of other people post information, and even other websites, and discuss them. Yet, I know I've been posting a lot, but anytime I ask about ANYTHING and use something as an example for my question, I instantly get modded. I KNOW there's no such thing as free will, I was just wondering about what that guy had said. Because, yeah, it did enter my mind why would Jesus say those things. I understand now, but I was just wondering. Thanks.
Also, it seems that some of you think I'm going out on the internet and IDK, debating other people on this. Let me state here, I'm not. I'm debating with myself, in my own mind. I could care lees what other people think about this or that, unless it relates to what I believe. Then, I try to figure out what is true.
Deborah-Leigh:
Sorry you feel like you got modded Lupac. I was simply answering the quote you posted not you personally.
Arc
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