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G. Driggs:
Hi Fester, I know you didnt ask me, but you got me curious so I had to share what I thought might be helpful.
From Strongs Hebrew Dictionary.
Pro 24:16 ForH3588 a justH6662 man fallethH5307 sevenH7651 times, and riseth up again:H6965 but the wickedH7563 shall fallH3782 into mischief.H7451
H7651
שׁבעה שׁבע
sheba‛ shib‛âh
sheh'-bah, shib-aw'
From H7650; a primitive cardinal number; seven (as the sacred full one); also (adverbially) seven times; by implication a week; by extension an indefinite number: - (+ by) seven ([-fold], -s, [-teen, -teenth], -th, times). Compare H7658.
Maybe Im reading this wrong but it seems "seven times" does not always have to mean literally falling seven times. What matters is that it was a complete fall. All of humanity has or will completely fall from grace, wether it be 7 times or 70 billion times, and God will make all humanity stand again.
Can this same idea from one of Jesus' parables be applied to "a just man falleth seven times"?
Mat 18:21 Peter came to Jesus. He asked, "Lord, how many times should I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?"
Mat 18:22 Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but 77 times.
Luk 17:3 So watch what you do. "If your brother sins, tell him he is wrong. Then if he turns away from his sins, forgive him.
Luk 17:4 Suppose he sins against you seven times in one day. And suppose he comes back to you each time and says, 'I'm sorry.' Forgive him."
Anyone have any thoughts, ideas, or more Scriptures?
Peace, G.Driggs
Marky Mark:
--- Quote from: Fester on November 17, 2009, 07:51:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: Dennis Vogel on November 16, 2009, 01:13:35 AM ---"a just man will fall seven times" could have been written seventy or many times IMO. No connection.
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But can you back that up?
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Hello Fester. Email reply from Ray. Hope it helps.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,7638.0.html
Dear Thabo: Don't become discourage until you no longer desire to stop sinning. Should that happen in your life, you are will be in big trouble. Remember:
Pro 24:16 For a just man falls seven times, and rises up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.
"Seven" in Scripture can mean complete or perfect, but it also has a similar meaning to the number 1000, which can mean "as many as there are or as long as is necessary."
God be with you,
Ray
Peace...Mark
Fester:
--- Quote ---Hello Fester. Email reply from Ray. Hope it helps.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,7638.0.html
Dear Thabo: Don't become discourage until you no longer desire to stop sinning. Should that happen in your life, you are will be in big trouble. Remember:
Pro 24:16 For a just man falls seven times, and rises up again: but the wicked shall fall into mischief.
"Seven" in Scripture can mean complete or perfect, but it also has a similar meaning to the number 1000, which can mean "as many as there are or as long as is necessary."
God be with you,
Ray
Peace...Mark
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Thanks to all who have replied to my question as it is helping my understanding greatly. Now how does Ray use the scriptures to support that 7 has a similar meaning to 1000, and furthermore support that that 1000 can mean many or as long as necessary?
cjwood:
--- Quote from: Fester on November 18, 2009, 05:05:35 PM ---
Thanks to all who have replied to my question as it is helping my understanding greatly. Now how does Ray use the scriptures to support that 7 has a similar meaning to 1000, and furthermore support that that 1000 can mean many or as long as necessary?
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i think the best way to find out how ray uses the scriptures to support the 7 ...or anything else, is to just drop him an email. he will let you know.
claudia
Fester:
--- Quote from: cjwood on November 18, 2009, 08:29:07 PM ---
--- Quote from: Fester on November 18, 2009, 05:05:35 PM ---
Thanks to all who have replied to my question as it is helping my understanding greatly. Now how does Ray use the scriptures to support that 7 has a similar meaning to 1000, and furthermore support that that 1000 can mean many or as long as necessary?
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i think the best way to find out how ray uses the scriptures to support the 7 ...or anything else, is to just drop him an email. he will let you know.
claudia
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I just may if no member here knows the answer. With Ray's health issues and being as busy as he is I only email him as a last resort.
Thanks once again to all.
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