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chav:
Hi

I have recently read a book where the author stated that at the time of Christ's crucifixion 'God was angry with Jesus'.I know that this is what most of the church teaches and believes ie God poured out his great wrath upon Christ as he offered himself for the sins of the world.In other words he died in our place bearing God's great wrath that was due to us sinners

However the notion that somehow God held deep feelings of anger towards his son, at the time of his greatest trial and need (the cross) just doesn't seem to make sense either.

What is the Father's own testimony concerning his own son

And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased Matt 3:17


Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles. Matt 12:18


While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. 
Matt 17:5
 
And there came a voice from heaven, [saying], Thou art my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased
Mark 1:11

And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased Luke 3:22


For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased
2 Peter 1:17

Greek definition of pleased

G2106
εὐδοκέω
eudokeō
yoo-dok-eh'-o
From G2095 and G1380; to think well of, that is, approve (an act); specifically to approbate (a person or thing): - think good, (be well) please (-d), be the good (have, take) pleasure, be willing.


Jesus also stated

And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him. John 8:29


G701
ἀρεστός
arestos
ar-es-tos'
From G700; agreeable; by implication fit: - (things that) please (-ing), reason.

In view of the above scriptures why would God be angry with his son who pleased him in every respect and obediently suffered death on the cross?

However I'm a little stuck when it come to the following scripture

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us--for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree"-- Gal 3:13

What exactly does it mean when it says he became a curse for us?
Is the curse of the law death? and therefore this verse is talking about Christ dying for us? what am I not seeing here?

thanks

Dave

mharrell08:
Deut 21:22-23  if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.


Hello Dave,

Paul is referring to the above passage which speaks of being 'accursed' (Heb. - cursed, reproach, vilified)...but this is because of the sin committed, not for the act of being hung from a tree. This scripture from Galations 3 is similar to Paul's words in 2 Corinthians 5:

Gal 3:13  Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

2 Cor 5:21  For the One not knowing sin, He makes to be a sin offering for our sakes that we may be becoming God's righteousness in Him [CLV]

There are many scriptures which prophecy of Christ being a 'reproach' of men [Ps 22:6, Ps 69:9], but not by the Father. Christ was vilified as one who commited the sin listed in Deuteronomy 21, but they were false accusations [Matt 26:59-60, Mark 14:56-57].


Hope this helps,

Marques

Deborah-Leigh:
This reminds me of the verse from Malachi 3 :9...you are cursed with the curse, for you are robbing Me, even the whole nation....which does not mean what the scribes and Pharisees would like you to believe this means but actually it means that God is the one who the people curse and despise just as it is and was Jesus Christ who was cursed, hated and despised not because He was a curse or a sinner. No!

Arc

eggi:
Hi,

Like you pointed out Dave, there is no way that the Father could have considered Jesus accursed! It is we who were accursed because we cursed Him.

Acts 5:30 "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on a cross.

That's how He became a curse for us, not that He was the curse, but a curse FOR us. We are accursed if we do not love the Lord:

1Cor 16:22: If anyone does not love the Lord--a curse be on him. Come, O Lord!

When we have the Holy Spirit we do not curse Him anymore:

1Cor 12:3: Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

G. Driggs:
Check this from The Living Bible

Gal 3:13 But Christ has bought us out from under the doom of that impossible system by taking the curse for our wrongdoing upon himself. For it is written in the Scripture, "Anyone who is hanged on a tree is cursed" [as Jesus was hung upon a wooden cross].

This seems to go right along with the other Scriptures others have provided, in that it is agreed that Jesus Himself was never cursed.

G.Driggs 

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