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Romans 1:18-32 Holding The Truth in Unrighteousness

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LiberatedEagle:
Greetings Everyone,

I'm back! Thanks to everyone who prayed for me in my time of struggle; I was so stressed and just tired of life. I was so stressed at one point I wanted to just DIE. However, I thank God for all that He's allowing me to go through because I understand this experience of evil is only to humble me. I remembered Ray's teaching on repentance and the process God uses to draw us to Him. I begin to wrestle in my mind whether or not God was REALLY calling me, then I begin to consider the experiences God has allowed to happen in my life and it just seems obvious that He IS calling me. I just pray that His will be done in my life.. Though I do have a desire to be called and  chosen I recognize pride and arrogance in regards to knowing these truths. Not necessarily by talking down to the Pharisees and Sadducees of Christendom, but just in my heart I feel pride for knowing the truth.  I guess it's ok to be grateful that God has called us to know the deeper things of Him, I just pray this knowledge don't go to my head . Ok now for my question. ::)

Who exactly held the truth in unrighteousness in Romans 1:18: "For the wrath of God is revealed from Heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness". Was Paul referring to Jews, Gentiles, or mankind? It seems whoever these people were and/or is are held accountable for their actions because they knew the truth and chose not to fear God, versus being ignorant, blinded and deceived by Satan. Furthermore vs 32 states that these people know the judgment of God, which we believe is the chastisement/correction of God, and still be worthy of death. How can one understand the truths of God and know the judgment of God which brings about righteousness and still not be righteous? My understanding is that it's not given unto to man to know the mystery of the Kingdom, but unto the chosen it has been given. If this scripture is referring to the Jews I could understand that because they witnessed the power of God, however it was impossible for them to live righteous without the Spirit of God. However, the heading for this passage in my bible is "The Gentiles Guilty". Can anyone help me understand verses 18-32?

As some of you already know my father is a minister and he brings this scripture up when trying to prove man has a free will and thus held accountable for their disobedience to God. I understand why he comes to that conclusion, but I also know that man doesn't have a free will. Anyone who has better understanding of this passage please help me to understand.

Peace and Blessings,

Charles

soberxp:
OK,here we go,once,Unfair things happen to me,I was so anger about the things Later ,cuz I began to lose my temper and shouted out very very loudly:"all ghost come out from hell!!!!!!!!!!" at that time,High in the sky It was just thundering,that's must be the GOD's anger.    I thought such thing that must be "Holding The Truth in Unrighteousness "

hope my bad english that u can understand. :-\

LiberatedEagle:
 funny ;D

soberxp:

--- Quote from: LiberatedEagle on December 01, 2009, 11:19:45 PM --- funny ;D

--- End quote ---

is it help u to understand man doesn't have a free will?

aqrinc:
Hi Charles,


First welcome back to the house, your struggles are not strange, actually typical of most on this journey. I am happy to see that you are making progress just like you should journey on.

Read these Scriptures from (GNB), i understand this to be against all mankind who deny GOD and our Lord Jesus Christ. Seeing that the evidence in all of the created things is so plainly laid out, for all to see and reason even from a carnal mind.

Rom 1:16-32 (GNB)
16  I have complete confidence in the gospel; it is God's power to save all who believe, first the Jews and also the Gentiles.
17  For the gospel reveals how God puts people right with himself: it is through faith from beginning to end. As the scripture says, "The person who is put right with God through faith shall live."

18  God's anger is revealed from heaven against all the sin and evil of the people whose evil ways prevent the truth from being known.

19  God punishes them, because what can be known about God is plain to them, for God himself made it plain.

20  Ever since God created the world, his invisible qualities, both his eternal power and his divine nature, have been clearly seen; they are perceived in the things that God has made. So those people have no excuse at all!

21  They know God, but they do not give him the honor that belongs to him, nor do they thank him. Instead, their thoughts have become complete nonsense, and their empty minds are filled with darkness.

22  They say they are wise, but they are fools;
23  instead of worshiping the immortal God, they worship images made to look like mortals or birds or animals or reptiles.

24  And so God has given those people over to do the filthy things their hearts desire, and they do shameful things with each other.
25  They exchange the truth about God for a lie; they worship and serve what God has created instead of the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever! Amen.

26  Because they do this, God has given them over to shameful passions. Even the women pervert the natural use of their sex by unnatural acts.
27  In the same way the men give up natural sexual relations with women and burn with passion for each other. Men do shameful things with each other, and as a result they bring upon themselves the punishment they deserve for their wrongdoing.

28  Because those people refuse to keep in mind the true knowledge about God, he has given them over to corrupted minds, so that they do the things that they should not do.

29  They are filled with all kinds of wickedness, evil, greed, and vice; they are full of jealousy, murder, fighting, deceit, and malice. They gossip

30  and speak evil of one another; they are hateful to God, insolent, proud, and boastful; they think of more ways to do evil; they disobey their parents;
31  they have no conscience; they do not keep their promises, and they show no kindness or pity for others.

32  They know that God's law says that people who live in this way deserve death. Yet, not only do they continue to do these very things, but they even approve of others who do them.

george. :)

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