Hi Charles,
Here is an excerpt from the Repentance transcript.
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Rom 2:1 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; you judge another you do the same things.
v. 2 But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things.
v. 3 And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God?
Twice he mentions it, “You judge another you do the same things.” How can this be? I mean come on, I never raped a child, how can this be?
Alright let’s go back to chapter 1.
Rom 1:18 “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of MEN…”
That word men means humans, human kind or mankind, you could almost put the human race there.
Rom 1:18 “…who by their unrighteousness suppress (means hold back) the truth.
v. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them.”
There is a conscience among almost all humanity.
Rom 1:21 “because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
v. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
v. 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
v. 24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,
v. 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator…”
Oh yes, the whole church is doing that. The church looks upon God as an old man, it says He has long gray hair... the arm of God... hand of God... and eye of God. They say He has arms and hands, eyes and everything. They believe that is all literal, that God is an old man and even if they don’t put Him in the very physical image of a man they certainly do mentally and morally. I mean they gave God a totally perverted and demented personality and character and then they turn it around and say that demented, evil, foul attitude of this God of theirs is to be worshipped. You don’t see how sick this is? You don’t see the utter sickness of Christianity? It is so sick!
And yet millions of them are doing wonderful works and good deeds and helping the poor and doing all these things. There’s got to be something there, you know Satan appears as an angel of light. The "woman" appears as an angel of light decked with gold and silver, riding on the beast. She looks pretty good, she’s wealthy, she’s not some slut off the street, not this whore. This whore is wealthy you know and all decked with silver and gold. You read that back in Rev. 11. Continuing on.
Rom 1:24 “Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies between themselves,”
Notice it said God gave them up, well you say that this is the work of God and it is, God gave them up to uncleanness. How did He do it though?
People accuse me day and night on my site, they say, 'you say God makes people rape little children, is that what you are saying Ray?' They know I’m not, but they like to gleam from my teachings, that’s the bottom line of what your saying. “God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts…” God doesn’t have to make people sin, they volunteer, they’re sinning machines. I’ve said so many times mankind is sinning machines.
I think it was Hosea Ballou, Pastor of the Universalist Church and society of Rockberry, and a writer back in 1700s or some time ago. But I think it was Hosea Ballou who came up with the analogy and it’s a very fine analogy. He said God is Like the rays of the sun and Jesus is, like I mentioned yesterday, that Jesus is the Son of God. But not only the S-o-n, but the s-u-n of God, the brightness of the sun, you see. So we liken God to the rays of the sun, this bright radiant warmth that gives light and heat and causes things to grow and all these wonderful things from the rays of the sun.
But ironically in the evening, when the sun goes down it gets colder and towards morning it gets damp. There’s often times dew on the grass, wet, damp and cold. Aha, I think I have God figured out now. When the sun is up, it’s not damp, it’s not wet, it’s not cold, it’s not dark. When the sun goes down it’s cold, damp and dark. Therefore the sun is the cause of dampness, cold and darkness. How do you like that? Cause when the sun’s up you don’t have those things, and when the sun goes down you have them. Therefore this darkness is caused by the sun. No, that’s wrong. That’s the way some people understand theology. It’s when the sun is gone the automatic results is, it’s dark, cold and damp. The sun didn’t cause it. It’s when the sun comes up that the sun takes it away. It’s not when the sun goes down it causes it to come. It always been there, it’s the sun that takes it away, it’s not the sun causes it to come and that’s the way God is.
When God removes His beams of light from mankind they become cold and damp and dark. Is that hard to understand? It's automatically, God does not have to supernaturally make it dark on one side of the earth when the sun is on the other side. God doesn’t have to do that it’s automatic, and God doesn’t have to force anybody to sin, it’s automatic. Yes God brings about the circumstances, “Wherefore God gave them up…” yes He did, He’s behind it. But He did it through the lusts of their own hearts. He didn’t force anybody to do anything.
He did not have to force Hansan to torture these little children, to kill them or to rape them or whatever all he did with them. All He had to do was let him have the opportunity and he would do it. This man had that mentality, okay.
Rom 1:25 “who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
v. 26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.”
You know what? Let me just tell you something. Do you know why there are more homosexuals now? I have so many homosexuals write to me and say, ‘Ray you are one of the few people on this earth that doesn’t understand that we’re not caused, we don’t choose this, we are ‘born’ with this. You know I will say, you know how come there were a whole lot less homosexuals back at World War II, than there are today? What happened there, with this ‘born’ theory? Now don’t get me wrong, there were some back in the 40’s, but not many, not like today.
SIN BEGETS SIN! There certainly are a whole lot more lesbians, then there ever were back in the 40’s or 50’s. The more people who are doing it, the easier it is for those who have any inclinations, to just jump right in there. Everybody’s doing it, it’s acceptable now, and why even the government can’t discriminate against you, so let’s do it. See, perversion begets perversion.
Rom 1:27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
v. 28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind (a mind void of judgment), to do those things which are not fitting;
v. 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers,
v. 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
v. 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;
I mean what else can you add to this? There’s nothing else that you can add to this. Paul knew what he was doing when he went on and on and on, he knew what he was doing. He’s talking about you, O man!
Rom 1:32 “who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things, are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.”
Rom 2:1 “Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things.”
What such things? All of this filth! Well some might say I didn’t see child molesters in there, and it didn’t say how old these women and these men were. Don’t think they’re not in there, there in there.
Turn to Genesis 6:5, “And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”
Wow that’s a mouthful isn’t it. Let’s read it again. “And God saw that the wickedness of man (mankind, humanity) was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”
Wow, there’s a lot of badness there, that’s a lot of bad stuff. What did Christ say.
Luke 17:26 “And as it was in the days of Noah, so it also shall be...”
You know this whole thing has so crept up on us that many of us haven’t even seen it coming. Don’t even see it now. Don’t realize the extent of the perversion and evil in the world. But it’s here, it creeps up.
You know one generation fades into another and they just kinda accept what is here when they were born, right. Our great grand parents, most of them are pretty long gone now. But if they could see today, they would just be shocked. And they were carnal too, but they would be shocked at today’s perversion. It’s pretty bad.
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mercy, peace and love
Kat