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Lupac:
Okay, instead of posting my random mental insanity. (lol) How about this, what happens to infants that die. I know Ray "sort of" answered it in this email:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,815.0.html
But, IMO he didn't answer it very fully. What does Isa 65:20 mean? and how does it apply? Thanks.
Kat:
Hi Lupac,
--- Quote ---but why did a lot of Christians in Rome refuse to deny Christ, and then get put to death, if they believed they would be saved anyway.
--- End quote ---
Arion gave a good answer. I would just like to mention knowing the rulers at the time were the Romans and the empire had absolute authority requiring obedience and worship by their law. They disliked this new Christian religion as being some kind of threat to their authority. If people were brought before the courts for any reason and found to be Christians, they would be asked to recant - to deny their faith in Jesus and make a public sacrifice to the Roman gods, thus acknowledging the divinity of the emperor. If they refused, they would be killed.
Rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.
So what were the writers of the Gospels to do, recant and show reverance to them as gods? This would be to lie and deny Christ in public for all to see. Their lives were totally dedicated to serving and obeying what Christ had taught them and spreading this good news.
Luke 11:33 "No one, when he has lit a lamp, puts it in a secret place or under a basket, but on a lampstand, that those who come in may see the light.
This make seem like a small lie in order to save ones life, but they were looking beyond this life to the kingdom. They were probably not totally surprised as Christ told them this would happen.
Mat 24:9 "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.
They were the Apostles, their lives were example for all believers to come.
Mark 8:35 For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel's will save it.
Though they carried this to the ultimate literal extreme and was killed for what they believed, we now do this spiritually everyday.
1John 3:16 By this we know love, because He laid down His life for us. And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
1Co 15:31 I affirm, by the boasting in you which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
--- Quote ---And I thought, "what if I died as a baby, and everything I'm seeing and going through now is just a test, and it's not real
--- End quote ---
Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they will die;
But the dead know nothing,
And they have no more reward,
For the memory of them is forgotten.
They will come up in the resurrection of the dead with everybody else and be judged.
Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
v. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
v. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
v. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
v. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
Only the Elect's name are written in the Book of Life, Christ, all else will go to the Lake of fire, which will be the Elect ruling with Christ on earth. Since they are young they will not be punished, but they will grow up and "learn righteousness."
Isa 26:9 With my soul I have desired You in the night,
Yes, by my spirit within me I will seek You early;
For when Your judgments are in the earth,
The inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Lupac:
Thank you Kat. You've been more patient with me and my questions than I thought was possible.
Marky Mark:
--- Quote from: Lupac on December 23, 2009, 12:03:31 PM ---Okay, instead of posting my random mental insanity. (lol) How about this, what happens to infants that die. I know Ray "sort of" answered it in this email:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,815.0.html
But, IMO he didn't answer it very fully. What does Isa 65:20 mean? and how does it apply? Thanks.
--- End quote ---
Lupac,an email reply from Ray. Hope it helps.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,201.0.html
Dear Matt:
There are only two resurrection to immortality.
The first is for the chosen elect overcomes explained in part in (I Cor. 15).
All others--children, criminals, mentally challenged, the many called but not chosen, etc.
In the case with children we are told: "There shall be no more thence
an infant of days, nor an old man that has not filled his days: for the
child shall die [spiritually die to his carnal mind purged through judgment] an hundred years old; but the sinner being an an hundred years old [and not yet purged of his carnal mind through judgment] shall be accursed [until he IS thoroughly purged]" (Isa. 65:20).
God's judgments are both light and harsh. (See Luke 12:45).
Many will freely enter God's judgments and will then enter into God's realm sooner. The harden criminals will have to be "THROWN into this fiery judgment of the carnal mind and human will which hates the ways of
God. (See Rev. 20:15).
Sorry, but this is a huge subject requiring hundreds of pages to cover the details.
God be with you,
Ray
Peace...Mark
Beloved:
Bryant, Sorry that you are being tossed too and fro on the sea of life right by so many thoughts.
Obsessive compulsive is a Cingulate disorder, the very part of the brain that allows flexibility ...gets stuck in a cycle. You need to learn to use Prefrontal cortex more. I hope that you are seeing a professional for this , there are self help activities that can help. Also exercise helps increase serotonin. Eating frequent high carb meals and also using tryptophan supplements or eating food higher in trytophan turkey chicken etc also do the same. There are many medications that will also do this.
You need to try you best to focus on ONE thing God is Love (even if you do not love Him)
Know that He is a Loving Father
that is why he tells us that we need to be
(2Co 10:5) Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
Jesus told his disciples
(Luk 12:22) Now He said to His disciples, "Therefore I am saying to you, Do not worry about the soul, what you may be eating, nor yet about your body, what you should be putting on,
(Luk 12:23) for the soul is more than nourishment and the body than apparel.
(Luk 12:24) Consider the ravens, that they are not sowing, neither are they reaping, for which there is no storeroom nor yet barn, and God is nurturing them. Of how much more consequence are you than the flying creatures!"
(Luk 12:31) However, be seeking the kingdom of God, and all these things will be added to you."
(Luk 12:32) Do not fear, little flocklet, for it delights your Father to give you the kingdom."
Bryant, " you are fearfully and wonderfully made".... that means inside you is a hunger and thirst for God and a wonderment that is making you seek Him.
Our tiny computers made of meat (even when the tape gets stuck :D) cannot comprehend all that He has in store for us.
Through Him you do have the ability to overcome "these thoughts". And there is purpose for all of these things.
He told the 12 at the end
(Joh 16:12) I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
So be patient
Beloved
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