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Lupac:
Okay, I'm not going to be on here tomorrow, because it's Christmas. I wanted to say, first of all, thank you for your help. I'm going to talk to my parents about maybe some medication, or something, because I'm in pretty bad shape right now. I'm back to worrying that I've committed the "unforgivable sin". Don't worry about responding, I know as long as God is causing me to repent, which I am, that I haven't done it. Thank you for your support.
EDIT: The other thing I'm worried about is that stupid "New Wine" site. The guy's only argument is that God gives us the "free will" to reject Him. I've often thought "We don't have free will, but God allows us to reject Him." But God wills that "All men be saved." So, it's just a matter of accepting God's truth and not man's. Anyway, I just need to stop worrying. (Also, what happens to someone who is a "Christian", but then "rejects" God for whatever reason? Thanks. (I sound like I've learned nothing, I know, sorry.))
Samson:
--- Quote from: Lupac on December 25, 2009, 02:19:36 AM ---Okay, I'm not going to be on here tomorrow, because it's Christmas. I wanted to say, first of all, thank you for your help. I'm going to talk to my parents about maybe some medication, or something, because I'm in pretty bad shape right now. I'm back to worrying that I've committed the "unforgivable sin". Don't worry about responding, I know as long as God is causing me to repent, which I am, that I haven't done it. Thank you for your support.
EDIT: The other thing I'm worried about is that stupid "New Wine" site. The guy's only argument is that God gives us the "free will" to reject Him. I've often thought "We don't have free will, but God allows us to reject Him." But God wills that "All men be saved." So, it's just a matter of accepting God's truth and not man's. Anyway, I just need to stop worrying. (Also, what happens to someone who is a "Christian", but then "rejects" God for whatever reason? Thanks. (I sound like I've learned nothing, I know, sorry.))
--- End quote ---
Hey Jonathan,
I thought you were taking the day off and wouldn't be here, ;D, I'm only Joking with you, don't take it serious, afterall, what better place to be for those who desire to hear the Truth and not the Lie. Consider this regarding your eventual Salvation; Would a Loving God(1John.4:8) who is trillions of more loving than imperfect Humans, His Love being incomprehensible to us Endlessly punish(chastise) us for Finite Sins we committed for 70-80 years of life. That doesn't make any sense, does it. Even the worst of Human Judges wouldn't do that. Will not the Judge of the whole World do what is right. According to Ray, "Judge, Just" means fairness, doing good. There is no amount of sinning that a Human has done or will do that deserves a punishment(chastening) that is endless, meditate on this point and read Emails of Ray where the Emailer asks about Sin And Forgiveness, there's plenty of them. Just type in Sin and forgiveness above where it says search.
Hang in there young fellow, Samson.
Kat:
Hi Lupac,
--- Quote ---what happens to someone who is a "Christian", but then "rejects" God for whatever reason?
--- End quote ---
Christians are the 'called,' only a very few go on to be the chosen. Christians do have a knowledge 'of' Christ, but He is not 'in' them. So they have never really known Christ and they are now the Apostate church.
Jude 1:12 These are spots in your love feasts, while they feast with you without fear, serving only themselves. They are clouds without water, carried about by the winds; late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots;
v. 13 raging waves of the sea, foaming up their own shame; wandering stars for whom is reserved the blackness of darkness forever.
v. 14 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, "Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints,
v. 15 to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.
It will continue this way for the rest of this age until Christ returns and brings in the new age. Then will the world's judgment finally comes.
Rev 20:11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them... And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
Rev 20:15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
Isa 26:9 ...For when Your judgments are in the earth,
The inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Deborah-Leigh:
Isa 29:24 They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine. 8)
Arc
Lupac:
Okay, I'm back. Thank you all for your help. I have some more questions.
1. In Hebrews 6:4-6, when it talks about falling away, I've heard it been said that in order for that sin to be forgiven, Christ would have to be crucified once again. Here's what is says in verse 6: (NASB)
--- Quote ---and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame.
--- End quote ---
I see nothing in that verse saying that Christ would have to be crucified again to be forgiven. Here's the verse in YLT:
--- Quote ---and having fallen away, again to renew [them] to reformation, having crucified again to themselves the Son of God, and exposed to public shame.
--- End quote ---
It sounds like, to me, that by falling away, they make a mockery out of the crucifixion, and will be punished for it. It also seems to say that it's impossible for men to renew them to repentance, but all things are possible with God. (Jesus' words, and the fact that Peter "fell away". I sure one could make the case that Peter wasn't "converted" yet, but he walked with Christ, promised to follow Christ to the end, and casted out demons in God's name. Surely he had "tasted" of the Holy Spirit even though he wasn't "converted" yet, right?)
2. It's about the "unpardonable" sin. Yes, even asking forgiveness hundreds of times, I still feel so worried that I've somehow committed it... (And, by extension, am going to hell. (I know. I know.)) One thing is, in Mark 3:29, Jesus refers to it as an "eonion sin". Now, most Bibles translate it as "eternal sin", which kind of scares me. (I know the word "eternal" isn't in the Bible. It's just my inner fear.) But Young (I quote from Young because it's my favorite translation on BibleGateway.) translates it this way:
--- Quote ---but whoever may speak evil in regard to the Holy Spirit hath not forgiveness -- to the age, but is in danger of age-during judgment;'
--- End quote ---
I assume the word "aion" is in that verse in addition to "aionion" in the Greek. Is that true? If so, why do so many translations leave it out?
Those are my only two questions right now. Thanks everybody.
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