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SandyFla:

--- Quote from: alchemist ---What exactly do you think this and the next world are?
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I think the next world begins when God's plan of salvation is completely fulfilled and all are saved.

love_magnified:
Heaven and Earth: http://www.tentmaker.org/books/heavenandearth.htm

SandyFla:

--- Quote from: Sorin ---But the word "remembered" I'm interested in.
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Strong says it's zâkar (zaw-kar')
A primitive root; properly to mark (so as to be recognized), that is, to remember; by implication to mention; also (as denominative from H2145) to be male: -  X burn [incense], X earnestly, be male, (make) mention (of), be mindful, recount, record (-er), remember, make to be remembered, bring (call, come, keep, put) to (in) remembrance, X still, think on, X well.

So perhaps it means the former world won't need to be mentioned, not that it will be totally forgotten. Just guessing here ...

mercie:

--- Quote from: SandyFla ---"That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes. For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy." - Isaiah 65:16-18

Does the part in bold really mean we will not remember our life in this world when the next begins? If so, of what use is the knowledge of evil in order for us to know good?
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Love magnified gave a good response.

God says he will make ALL Things NEW with in the NEW Covenant, not just New Jerusalem.

Are we not a New Creation?

Mind is used here a couple of times.


so what are the Former things no longer remembered?

could it be this.

My understanding  is that the former things are the( LAW) old Covenant and the Ministy of Death) shall be remebered No more

Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

the elements OF the world Burnt Up?speaks of a Doing away of the OLD Covenant

Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:

Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?




which leads to shaking of the Mind.

Hbr 12:27 And this [word], Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.  


 Hbr 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

Hbr 12:29 For our God [is] a consuming fire.

Luk 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

for the Converted,

2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.


Hbr 12:29 For our God [is] a consuming fire.


Those former thiings which a PASS away for the Glory of the New Covenant.

Daniel:
I see it as "the blessing of God" He addeth no sorrow to it. Knowledge and sorrow are closely linked. The more knowledge the more sorrow (Godly sorrow?). In revelation it speaks of neither being present. No more sorrow or "death". John speaks of passing from "death unto life". Knowledge being "done away" when the "perfect COME". Keeping in mind that the "joy" of the Lord is our strength and these being spiritual truths as I "personally" see them. I can see them (yet not after the flesh) but within the covenants as Love_maginfied showed.

To me it fits perfectly with the "rememberance of sins" the guilty conscience we are purged of. The accuser cast down out of our own experience. Having a willingness to live honestly before the Lord that our conscience does not reproach us. "I will remember their sins no more"

Notice the mountain Jesus said if you "had faith" you could remove? That in Revelation is the mountain burning with fire. The Lord same mountain descended upon in fire.

Its figuratively speaking of Mt Sinai. THAT is a "picture" of "The Law" which is "not of faith", same context Jesus was speaking of concerning it. That gets cast into the sea,

Now, if we have faith that we could move mountains (even cast them into the sea) but have not love we are nothing. What surpasses the form of knowledge by the law (which made nothing perfect) is the fulness of God (Love) being perfected in us.

These bring the very opposite of the sorrow he adds not to "the blessing". Death is passed from as John shows it as a spiritual truth. Gods comfort here overflows, His joy is made full in us. The "sting of death" is removed (our sins into the sea) and there being, "no more sea" in that regard. Its His coming to us that loosed the pains of it. No more pain.

So He casts our sins into the Sea (as He remembers our sins no more) and there is "no more sea". Why? If Mount Sinai is in "the sea" or as the law of sin and death (which worketh while in the flesh) is there. There with our sins (the blood of a dead man). Why would it need to be if it is not remembered with him. Thats our old man. He makes all things new. The Old and Former speak to what was rather then to what is and is to come.

Tough to word out, but offer for consideration. I know many have this diced up, as do I yet differently I supose. I see these as signified and of the revelation of Jesus Christ who pertains to the things spoken therein in relation to our salvation.

Being found in Him, not having a righteousness by the law but His. Our old man and older (first or former order) and "our sins" under it are remembered no more.

The first is "taken away" and He "establishes" the "New" the Second in Himself. Us in Him and Him in us.

Peace

Daniel

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