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elias3013:
I am a new member to this forum  and am trying to learn how to post.

If this is the way, let me start with this subject of "Is water baptism necessary"?

Has Ray ever taught on this? If so what is his position on it. What does he say the Bible teaches?

Thanks

Ron

dogcombat:
Hi Ron,

From the BT Hompage "NOTHING Physical Saves"

If you are IN CHRIST, then CHRIST IS IN YOU, and Christ will live a NEW LIFE IN YOU THROUGH THE SPIRIT OF GOD, and not through the carnal minded flesh of man.

THERE IS NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, THAT ONE CAN DO 'PHYSICALLY' TO GET SAVED 'SPIRITUALLY'!!

But what about all these 'physical things' of circumcision and baptism? Do we not have to be circumcised and baptized? YES WE DO! ABSOLUTELY. And here is how it is to be done:

"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy [theological doctrines] and vain DECEIT, after the TRADITION OF MEN, after the RUDIMENTS OF THE WORLD, and not AFTER CHRIST. For IN HIM dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.  And YOU ARE COMPLETE IN HIM, which is the Head of all principality and power: In Whom also ye ARE CIRCUMCISED [how so?] with the circumcision made WITHOUT HANDS [or knives], in putting off the BODY OF THE SINS OF THE FLESH by the CIRCUMCISION OF CHRIST: [notice, no period...] Buried WITH HIM [in 'WATER baptism?' No...] in baptism [how so? same way! 'WITHOUT HANDS; WITHOUT WATER, 'in putting off the body of the SINS OF THE FLESH by the BAPTISM OF CHRIST--there is but 'ONE BAPTISM,' Eph. 4:5!], wherein also you are risen WITH HIM through the faith of the operation of God Who has raised Him from the dead. And you, being dead in your sins and the UNcircumcision of your flesh, has He quickened together WITH HIM, having forgiven you ALL TRESPASSES

... Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon or of the sabbath days: Which are a SHADOW of things to come, but the body [the SUBSTANCE, the REALITY OF THE SHADOW, the BODY OF CHRIST WHICH WAS CASTING THE SHADOW] is of [or belongs to] CHRIST" (Col. 2:8-13 & 16-17)!!!

At the conference at Jerusalem spoken of in the 15th chapter of Acts, Christian Pharisees were demanding that newly converted Gentiles must BE CIRCUMCISED AND KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES.  Did the Apostles, elders, disciples, and the whole church under the inspiration of God's Holy Spirit conclude that they should:

  A. Be circumcised, but NOT to keep the law of Moses?

  B. Keep the law of Moses, but NOT to be circumcised?

  C. Be circumcised, AND keep the law of Moses?

  D. NONE OF THE ABOVE?

It is, of course, NONE OF THE ABOVE. They ALL concluded in complete harmony with each other and the Spirit of God, that new Christian converts were not to be circumcised OR keep the law of Moses. Now everyone knows (don't they?) that the ritual of circumcision was the most important physical ritual in all the Old Covenant, and that that the Old Covenant itself WAS the 'Ten Commandments.' 

"And He [GOD] declared unto you His [Old now] Covenant, which He commanded you to perform, EVEN TEN COMMANDMENTS; and He wrote them upon two tables of stone" (Deut. 4:13).


You can read the rest here:

http://bible-truths.com/email6.htm#nothing

God be with you, hope this helps
 
Ches

Kat:

Hi Ron,

I would just like to say welcome to the forum  :)
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Linny:
Welcome Ron! I spent a lot of time reading at BT before coming here to the boards. I still have more to read and I need to re-read as well as the vastness of information is amazing!

You might find, as I did, that the emails to Ray found on the home page at BT.com answer so many questions you might have upon first coming to BT.

Look forward to getting to know you better!

Blessings, Lin

arion:
Also a warm welcome Ron from another member who is quite new around here.  Most of the questions we come up with have been asked before and answered before so make good use of the search functions and you might find this categorized list of emails to Ray helpful in your search.  http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3108.0.html  I know that when I started here I asked some redundant questions that were already answered and what I really needed to do was to take the time and the effort to read through the whole site which of course is a great undertaking.  I know for me the teachings are far to rich to take in all at once and I have to go back to thiem time after time and I always glean something new that I didn't see before.

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